Yes, most of the people who breed whites, and livers, blues or panda GSD, are not members of white clubs and do not show with us. Some do show their whites in the UKC. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Theresa-GSD Stolz <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Jan 27, 2015 5:25 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The WHite issue However they both want separation the AWSA wants the American GSDs to be included with the BBS with FSS breed created. The decision to be made of what they will be called in the USA with AKC. They both agree that they do not want their imported BBS dogs registered as AKC GSDs that last I heard. I see no end to this until separation is allowed for those that want it. Question do you know how many white dog breeders are members of the GSDCA. There might be several white dogs registered each year but most of these breeders also breed blues, livers and Panda colors so are pet breeders not show breeders. AKC can not tell you how many whites, blues, livers, pandas which are registered as sables or black and tan. I have called AKC several times been passed to one person to another and still no answers. Carmen does not know as I never heard back from him on the issue either . Theresa -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/27/15, dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: AWSA does NOT want to be the BBS in the FSS, although they do want separation. A club of 12 members (BBSCA), mostly AWSA members, wants this. This is the same thing that happened in 1996. A small group of WGSDCI members wanted separation. The members of the WGSDCI voted NO to separation. The small group broke off and formed the AWSA club. Now, the AWSA Club is divided about what they want. Barb Hively - PA ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2015. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of both the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. POSTS CANNOT BE USED IN A COURT OF LAW. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ===========================================================================