Well said, Jessica. I am all for changing the Standard, if and only if the change would serve to improve the Breed in some way. I've heard/read the argument that removing the white DQ will result in an expanded gene pool. Really? In what way? If the white DQ is removed, how many breeders of standard colored dogs will decide to breed whites or incorporate white dogs into their breeding programs? There may be breeders out there that will do this, but I believe they are in the minority. Are there any Board members who will incorporate whites into their breeding programs? Just asking... Is the removal of the white DQ really going to generate more money for the Club and the AKC? If I'm going compete in this "sport," I want to WIN! Why would one show a dog with a SERIOUS fault knowing that the chance of winning is slim to none? Why would anyone intentionally spend money to go to a dog show to lose? Showing GSDs is expensive. If I owned a white and couldn't win in the AKC conformation ring, I would find other things to do with my dog. Also, why are there a number of AKC breeds who have DQs based upon the total amount of white allowed on the dog? I.E. breeds like the Boxer or Vizsla. PaulETTE McGuirt, GSDCA Member Wellborn-Allemande German Shepherds Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica MacMillan" <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 5:00 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] The Standard It makes me very sad to see German Shepherd people fighting over their standard... Standards are guidelines for what is considered the optimum/perfect specimen of a breed. They weren't put together overnight - standards take years and lots of fighting to get to where they are appropriate and people can agree on them for the most part. I happen to like standards - I like having a goal - some is subjective, but that's how it should be - the spice of life. It would be boring if all GSDs or all Dalmatians looked a like. Our breeds would be come vanilla... And it takes some of every type within a pedigree to get the right look. You can have too many extreme, you can have too many moderate - but with both and the pedigrees, you should be able to come to a dog who is appropriate for the standard. What I fail to understand is why should colors be adjusted and why should coats be adjusted to be included as either faults or acceptable? You might as well let faults of structure, floppy ears and faded pigment be in the ring too because you are essentially throwing out what someone is considering the "ideal" definition of a GSD... Why have a standard if every imperfection is going to be in the ring? Frankly there are other ways to get people involved and trust me, it isn't just this breed - it stretches across all breeds. And no offense, part of the lack of appeal on GSDs is the fact that it takes a handler to finish one and that's what all the outsiders believe. Leave the standard alone and find some other way to get people included in the club.. BTW: If you guys open it up for faults and DQ's to be included, that sets a very bad, bad precedent across purebred dogs... And that really makes me sick to think about... Jessica MacMillan No Frills Dog Bathing Service & Design Paisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com) * Ch. Meribel, CA, CGC. TDI. Member of: DCA, GSDCA & GTCDC Manager of: The Dalmatian Stud Dog List on Facebook The German Shepherd Stud Dog List on Facebook ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================