In a message dated 12/17/2005 7:50:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx writes: Heck, I love dog shows! BUT... in the last 10 years, I have bought dogs with heart problems, temperament problems, hip and elbow problems, one that died of toxic gut (when I didn't know what toxic gut was), dogs that bloated. These dogs were all different blood lines. When I started in shepherds in the 70s, this did not happen. I'm, thinking back to the problems I saw when I first got in the breed...remember that "drippy nose" thing? There are some lines known for immune issues, but that other thing was common and it was God awful. You never hear of it anymore. Today, we might know of a dog who doesn't get a number, but they generally have hip sockets (!!!!). Overall, I'm on the side of the fence that see's the glass more than 1/2 full. Temperament, for my money is 200% better. Rears have cleaned up dramatically in the last 10-15 years too. There is something in one of the articles in this month's Gazette. We (the purebred dog "fancy"), may know of/focus on a limited # of issues, but apparently, dogs carry more than 200 recessive genes for "problems". (Who knew?????) To complicate things some "issues" are believed to be polygenic. Now, while many of these don't show up in our breed, it all illustrates the point that whenever you are dealing w/ a concentrated gene pool, you run the risk of doubling up, knowingly or unknowingly of a particular problem. It's how someone handles the knowledge they DO have that determines how or if I'll do business with them. I don't see the breed in trouble. Are there problems? Sure. But I don't see them being any worse than in the past and, bottom line, I see them improving. Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================