Being in this sport some 10 years or so...I have never ever seen a "Red Book"..I sort of know whats in it, and I agree that it could be a useful tool in formulating a breeding program....I have a bitch in this year's book so the editor has been on my you-know -what to get the info into her...well when I finally did she was a bit surprised at what I wrote...well I gave an honest assessment of the 7 litters that she has produced, no more , no less.....based on a further discussion with the editor I got the impression that most folks are not that forth coming when talking about problems from their animals...well if this is true, and I don't know if it is or not...why have a Red Book...if folks can not tell it like it is, why tell it at all.......on a related subject I get into disagreeing conversations with Ann Marie all the time about pedigrees...I used to get into arguments with my wife before she was my wife about "arrest records"...I look at pedigrees just like I do arrest records...they both give me an image of the past, they both MAY give me an in site to the future, but both are way over-rated in trying to predict the future...the most important dogs in the pedigree are the two dogs stuck together for twenty minutes or so....how many of you look like somebody 4 generations away on your pedigree...except for Shirley Briggs O'Brien...she was line bred on Bucannon...lol...FB ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================