[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The "No DQ" Rule
- From: MORGAN LEWIS <shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx" <rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx>, "cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx" <cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:27:07 -0800 (PST)
Wouldn't the simple solution be to simply put it to a vote of the members to
end the DQ; then let the WHITE OWNERS decide their fate. Genetically they are
the same except for the white recessive gene. but remember the BLACK is also
recessive. As is the COAT. I have never owned a WHITE but they sure have come
a long way since the 50's.
Morgan Lewis, RPh.
Member GSDCA
President Last Hope of Georgia 501c3
"So Much to Do, So Little Time"
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From: Ruth Scheubler <rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx" <cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: DaList <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 10:17 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The "No DQ" Rule
My thoughts exactly. The performance is rewarded with the High Combined Score
trophy. I think that is always the premier award at any obedience trial.
If the board removed only the DQ exception for whites then all other dogs with
disqualifying faults have a clear reason to object, call foul, or even sue for
discrimination. And if they are all allowed there is no reason to give the
additional GSDCA breed award - just offer the High Combined Score, period.
Ruth
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From: Lyn Chernak <cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "EJDegen@xxxxxxx" <EJDegen@xxxxxxx>; "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The "No DQ" Rule
I too have been reading the comments and seriously considering my thoughts on
this issue.
Julie and others, I have to disagree with your reasoning.
Yes, a white GSD can enter any AKC obedience / performance event, win and
receive titles. And they should. That IS NOT the issue.
At the GSDCA National, should a white GSD win the High Combined Title, they win
the Rosette, the Trophy and the honor of High Combined. This has always been
and always will be . BUT they were never able to be award the "ADDITIONAL" PC
title of Obedience Victor or Victrix. That additional PC title was only given
to the High Combined winner IF and only IF they did not have any disqualifying
faults. As it should be.
The years that there is no Obedience Victor/Victrix listed was for one of two
reasons; 1. No dog qualified for the High Combined award or 2. A dog with a
disqualifying fault won the High Combined award but the additional PC award was
withheld.
This has been practiced for over 20 years, therefore most exhibitors that are
at the level of competing for this title are well aware of the additional PC
title and the requirements before they enter the National.
I feel that as long as the Standard calls white GSDs a disqualifying fault,
then the addition PC award should be withheld as it has been.
What I strongly object to is the way this was handled by the BOD. I have yet to
read anything on this list that justifies removing the requirements of not
having any disqualifying faults in order to be awarded the prestigious title of
Obedience Victor/Victrix. This additional PC title solidifies that this dog not
only has the intelligence to reach this level, the temperament and soundness to
perform at this level AND the fact that he/she has no disqualifying faults as a
breed representative.
And because of my last comment, I will remain against the decision of the BOD.
Lyn Chernak
CherLyn Shepherds - Updated Nov 29,2011
http://www.cherlynshepherds.com
Three Generations ~ GSDCA 13 Club ~ Membership
CherLyn's Dixie, BH, CDX, RAE, TC, HIC, CGC
Ulric vom Kriegerhaus, CD, RA, TC, CGC
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From: "EJDegen@xxxxxxx" <EJDegen@xxxxxxx>
To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:38 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] The "No DQ" Rule
I have been reading about the controversy of allowing dogs with DQs to
receive the GSDCA Performance Victor/Victrix awards (herding, obedience,
agility) at the national.
I believe that if the AKC says that a dog is a German Shepherd, we have
accepted their entry AS a GSD, and that dog has performed in its respective
sport better than any of the other entered dogs, then that dog deserves the
award.
In the past few years there have been dogs that have earned because they
WERE the best dogs at the trial, the title Agility Victor/Victrix whose
parentage is unknown (ILP) and doubtful even though they did NOT have a DQ.
Several times over the years, the Highest Scoring Rescue dog has also been
the Agility Victor/Victrix. The AKC has said that they recognize these dogs
as GSDs. If someone has a problem with what the AKC is allowing to be
ILP'd as a GSD, that is a different issue and should be addressed, but not at
our national after we have accepted their entry as a GSD. We may have our
doubts (even with no disqualifying faults according to our standard), but if
the AKC recognizes them as a GSD and we've accepted their entry into our
trial as a GSD (it is a GSD ONLY trial), then they should be eligible for
Agility or Obedience or Herding Victor/Victrix. We are judging on
PERFORMANCE, not conformation. Personally, I like to see conformationally
correct
dogs doing performance, too, and that is what *I* choose to compete with, but
conformation is not being judged in performance events, just like
agility/obedience/herding ability is not being judged in the conformation
ring.
I have a breed champion who broke his tail last summer. Luckily, we
didn't have to amputate, but if he HAD had to have it amputated, under the "No
DQ" rules, he would not be eligible for a top award in a performance sport at
the national...because he would now have a DQ fault...even though he was a
breed champion. How is THAT right? Having or not having a tail doesn't
change his ability to herd or the fact that he is a finished CH with known
parentage.
I have a friend that has a BC that looks EXACTLY like some of the Panda
GSDs on that infamous website. He happens to be a registered BC, but if she
could get him ILP'd as a GSD, he would have no DQ according to our
standard. Under the "No DQ" rule, he would be eligible to be a performance
victor.
But yet a GSD with a DQ but KNOWN parentage is not?
The "No DQ" rule was really put in place to address white GSDs. White
GSDs cannot currently be shown in conformation in AKC events and they know
that. If they enter, they will be excused. However, they ARE eligible for
performance events. As long as we accept their entry, they should be
eligible for the performance awards. If the best agility or herding or
obedience
dog is white, and we've accepted their entry, then they deserve the trophy.
If someone doesn't like being beaten by a dog with a DQ color, then be a
good sport, congratulate the person/dog that did better than you and go
home and train harder or get a better dog.
Julie Degen
_www.caissonkennels.com_ (http://www.caissonkennels.com)
"A well-balanced German Shepherd has a title on BOTH ends!"
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