[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The "L" Pattern - Elizabeth, Melissa, Judges?

  • From: Barb Hahn <ccceditor@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: utter227@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:43:25 -0800 (PST)

The L pattern and T pattern are traditional obedience
patterns. The L in Novice and Open and the T in
Utility to place the dog in the center of the ring for
the signal exercises. I haven't shown in obedience in
a long time and I was not happily surprised to find
myself doing the T pattern in Novice B. 

At no time should the dog be on the handler's right
side. It's a bad thing. You lose points, but usually
the judge won't NQ you in the Novice classes, but it's
not a pretty score. 

4-H Junior showmanship teaches an L and T pattern
also. There the idea of changing hands and keeping the
dog between the handler and judge is VERY important.
Putting the handler between the judge and dog is a bad
thing there. And the judges move the kids down the
line for not switching.

Barb


--- Robert Utter <utter227@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Well, whatever you think but -   I  DID  DO an "L"
> in obedience - AKC  
> obedience show.   Our trainer knew this can happen
> and told us to  
> always keep the dog between ourself and the judge.  
> We were taught to  
> be able to heel the dog on the RIGHT side if
> necessary.   So, though a  
> dog may "traditionally" heel on the handler's left,
> a judge can call  
> whatever pattern they want.  And I don't think it
> would have been wise  
> to tell the judge that the dog was to heel on the
> left no matter what  
> he said!    I had to do a "T" once also.  Now,
> that's not so easy.      
> And I don't think the judge necessarily will think
> it is their job to  
> move around the ring in order to keep the best view
> of the dog and  
> handler.   At least, not in obedience competition.  
> Sometimes I think  
> a Judge wants to just see if your dog can do what he
> asks  Now, this  
> was several years ago, maybe they do things
> differently now?    Anne
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2005, at 12:09  PM, Karen
> C. wrote:
> 
> > Robert Utter <utter227@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:=20
> >
> >> This is what we learned in obedience if the judge
> calls for an L =20
> >> pattern.   Though they seldom do.   We were
> taught the dog was always  
> >> =20
> >> between you and the judge.   Anne, TN
> >
> > Anne: Not to be argumentative, but I doubt you
> were told this in
> > *obedience* class... unless you happened to be
> discussing conformation
> > competition at the time. In obedience, a dog
> traditionally heels to
> > the handler's left, no matter what orders the
> judge calls. In
> > obedience, it's the *judge's* job to move around
> the ring in order to
> > always keep the best view of the dog and handler
> team!  :)
> >
> > ~*~*~*~*~*~*
> > Karen C.
> > Email: kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
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