That is good to hear that some judges actualy want what they ask for. I showed my puppy a couple of times and the judge would ask for a loose lead and then look away and I know that he is not of poor quality. I really don't understand it. LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 8/13/2005 10:14:37 PM Central Daylight Time, cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: P.S. The handlers are not defying the judge when they do not give him a loose lead(lip service judges) but they will give the judges who mean it a loose lead when asked. They know who is sincere and who is not. ----- Original Message ----- ****************************************************************************** ******************** I've told a few if you don't put it on a loose lead you cannot win today. If they don't put them on a loose lead I assume the dog would fall apart on a loose lead and they rather lose looking good then lose because their dog fell apart. And they don't win, that simple Lee Brown ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Paige McLaughlin McLin German Shepherds www.geocities.com/jimchyn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================