In a message dated 8/13/2005 10:14:19 PM Central Daylight Time, cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Stormy- The problem is that most judges pay lip service to the "loose lead" term and allow the dogs to be shown on a tight lead and at a breakneck speed. If a handler slows down and gives a loose lead under the"lipservice" judges they do not win. Unfortunately, only about one out of five judges actually means "slow, loose lead" when he asks for it in the ring. And as Randy and BadBob stated before me, it coats assignments to be in the minority. I feel privileged and proud to be in that minority. D.D. P.S. The handlers are not defying the judge when they do not give him a loose lead(lip service judges) but they will give the judges who mean it a loose lead when asked. They know who is sincere and who is not. ----- Original Message ----- D.D., you are absolutely correct! Asking for a loose lead and demanding it are two totally diffrent things. I have seen judges that ask and do not get a loose lead, and there are those who just never ask for it. " Slow and loose" allows judges to observe the dog in it's natural gait. When I judged the Canadian National last year, a well known handler did not win their class because I never got to see their animal on a loose lead. After several requests, the handler continued to show the dog on a tight lead. The number of assignments is not important, consistency in the ring is! Gary Szymczak ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================