Bill- Great e-mail. You explained the "loose lead" situation much better than I did. There must be something in the water down here in South Louisiana as Lee B., Randy C. and myself are all loose lead nuts. D.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Basu To: LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx ; cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx ; Stormy435@xxxxxxx ; RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx ; LEWIEB@xxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The Gait in the Ring From a handlers standpoint, we know exactly who requires a loose lead and who does not. Those judges that really require a loose lead, do it because they understand it is VITAL in understanding the motion of a dog in the show ring, and as such insist upon it as CENTRAL to their procedure. In my way of thinking, they show their RESPECT for the GSD's gait and give it's just due by insisting upon the loose lead.Those that do not, either don't know or aren't interested in judging dogs, but have other motives get in the way. About 15 yrs ago when i started handling and didn't have the experience to know which judges meant business and which didn't, i used as my cue a very famous West Coast handler(who today as graduated to running for the board), who had 30 yrs in the breed already and who i respect as a "smart" cookie. By watching him, i learned quickly those who required it and those who gave it "lip service". Bill LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 8/13/2005 10:14:37 PM Central Daylight Time, cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: P.S. The handlers are not defying the judge when they do not give him a loose lead(lip service judges) but they will give the judges who mean it a loose lead when asked. They know who is sincere and who is not. ----- Original Message ----- ****************************************************************************** ******************** I've told a few if you don't put it on a loose lead you cannot win today. If they don't put them on a loose lead I assume the dog would fall apart on a loose lead and they rather lose looking good then lose because their dog fell apart. And they don't win, that simple Lee Brown ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material ! remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================