This is sort of OT and I know I'm going to speak up here but it is stuff we could all try to understand for so many reasons, We ARE responsible for bringing these wonderful creatures into this ol' world. Caution in so many ays is needed with a level head for the future of each and every one no matter if they stay with us or go (geaux)! I feel I must respond to your post below in a "common good" manner with a deeper understanding of what is what in our human/animal relationships. Hey, the vaccines for other ailments that are not as serious as rabies are also given to all of our charges to protect them from "stuff"! In many cases a spay/neuter situation is important for all involved. I've always laughed at MEN who have no concern about gelding their stallions or making steers out of their bulls BUT when it comes to their best friend - yikes -! Having said this, I strongly feel that any dog or cat not "worthy" or for one reason or another, is not to be bred, needs to be spayed/neutered for the good of all concerned. This, in and of itself being neglected in an incorrect manner, is what IMHO causes a lot of animals ending in a shelter because they weren't supposed to have been born to begin with anyway. Not that it is always a health matter, but a practical one. YES, I'm sure you will agree that there are times - for the health of the animal - this surgery must be done too. I'ts the same with humans as well. As I say herein, this is how I feel about it and I've done rescues since I was a teen back in the 1940s for so many different kinds of beings, I lost count many moons ago!! Yes, I do need to sit and begin my autobio. Not everyone knows what is best for everyone esle, but it's good to at least take a look at the situation be- forehand. 9 out of 10 reasons for this surgery are valid ones. Nowadays, it's a lot easier anyway plus a minor bit of removal of just the sacks for a male isn't horrible. Recovery is many times quick for even the females. I know, I've seen so many many in all walks of life and many many types of critters!! Thanks for listening. Norma no L D.O.G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Webb" <noelwebb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "showgsd-l" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:27 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] The Common Good The common good arises from the need to protect people, re: The Rabies Vaccines, as Rabies can be passed on to human with a fatal ending. Show me how not doing a spay or a neuter on a 16 week old baby puppy or kitten ( one of the most barbaric things a human can do to an other living being in MHO) causes the same type of need? SHOW ME! Nancy Webb.... who wishes she had more time to devote to this. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================