Actually testicles form above the kidney and below the spine in a fetus. An undescended testicle therefore can sometimes be found there, between kidney and spine, if it isn't right above the scrotum. Here is a wonderful link w/ illustrations: _http://www.pet-informed-veterinary-advice-online.com/cryptorchidism.html#te stis-drop_ (http://www.pet-informed-veterinary-advice-online.com/cryptorchidism.html#testis-drop) Interestingly, we know now that testicles descend shortly before birth or shortly after. (Kind of shoots the idea of holding onto a male puppy w/ fingers crossed in the foot doesn't it?) Now, not everybody can find them, even some vets I know lol.... The vet I know who does laporoscopic surgeries has found the laporoscopic technique quite useful for 'finding" an undescended testicle. At least he's not using the old "cut them and keep looking method". Now the puppy "could" actually be a monorchid. I remember years ago a piece about that either being genetic or having something to do w/ # of females in a litter...who knows? I'm sorry for the poodle owner....what a lot of vet care and drama when it could have been simpler. Maybe they should show their vet the diagrams.... Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 2/11/2011 8:08:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, majapoodles@xxxxxx writes: Hi first off this is a Standard Poodle male. We never found the 2nd testicle, we meaning the Vet also. He was sold as a pet on a neuter agreement and when they neutered him the Vet could only find 1 testicle. Now they have waited a few month and run a testosterone test to see if it could still be hidden somewhere. The test was negative. The only other thing that they can suggest is an ultrasound. Which I said should have been done in the beginning before they cut him from end to end. Not really but you know what I mean. Has anyone every had this happen or even heard of it. Thanks Jeanne ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================