In a message dated 6/9/10 3:45:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx writes: I feel that the LLT test is not for us shepherd folks, but for those who actually do not know our breed. We did ourselves a lot of harm by demanding the test. I have met with a number of all-breed judges who did not or do not know our breed. They received a letter years ago from the parent club asking for a special temperament test. They have taken that to mean we have a real temperament problem in our breed, and some of the more stupid one think our breed is to be feared. A couple of weeks ago I had Summer take Honey Be Good into an all-breed ring. She was in front to go in, and the judge had her go behind the other bitch, (a very good one, but prior to judging). The judge then went to the ring steward and said: "If the dogs get into a fight, be sure to grab the kid." I was standing next to the entry ring so I overheard it. The judge then went ahead and seemed shocked to see Summer handle the bitch. She asked Summer where her mother was, and Summer told her it was not her bitch, and she knew how to handle her. I almost jumped up and said: "Good answer." But, I kept my mouth shut, (which is normal for me). The other bitch also needed one point to finish and was a super bitch. But, the judge clearly did not understand out breed. We need to educate the judges out there, (not the specialty judges) that while temperament is the first thing in our standard, that does not mean our dogs are going to attack first chance the get. Well, not all of them anyway. I don't know how to fix it, but the "Rule of unintended consequences" had taken over. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================