[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Temperament Test at Futurity/Maturity
- From: Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx
- To: cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx, cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, Gsdbroon@xxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 23:50:09 EDT
Lyn,
Perhaps you missed D.D.'s point that if you (or the observer) are NOT in
the middle of the ring, you cannot have the same experience or be aware of
all that the judge does see. Any observer's view is skewed by that
difference and, perhaps, that's why this whole "observation" program is
failing
miserably. From outside the ring, you may see a dog that is standing his
ground and allowing the individual exam; the judge may see the
fear/hostility/pick-your-poison in the dog's eyes. The dog that has been
trained to stand
for exam doesn't necessarily represent good temperament. The dog who moves
and shifts and breaks his stack doesn't necessarily represent poor
temperament. The judge and the observer are dealing with the proverbial
apples
and oranges and, until we find a more workable solution, we need to allow the
individual making the decisions to make them based upon what he or she
experiences, one on one, with the dog being judged.
jmo,
Diane
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In a message dated 5/3/2011 8:08:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx writes:
The dogs are being excused because of poor temperament in the opinion of
the
judge that has excused them. My question would be .... if the "observer
wasn't
there, would those dogs still have been excused or would they have been in
the
ribbons?
Several years ago I was at a Futurity as an exhibitor and watched the
judge
constantly grab the leash so that they could touch the dog. That is NOT
loose
lead. Those dogs were avoiding the judge and that judge didn't seem to be
concerned about an "observer: being present.
Until poor temperament is faulted and handled as a"serious" fault, above
all
else, I feel there is a need for "observers". We are here to protect and
promote
the future of our breed not the judges'.
Lyn Chernak
"Having an observer
puts unnecessary pressure on the judge because a negative report has the
possibility of that judge being sanctioned by the the parent club. I
think many dogs are excused for temperament because of the presence of
the observer. Someone correct me if I am wrong. I no longer support
the observer program and think it needs to be eliminated. D.D. "
Lyn Chernak
CherLyn Shepherds - Updated June 06,2010
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From: "cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx" <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Gsdbroon@xxxxxxx
Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 9:54:47 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Temperament Test at Futurity/Maturity
Viv states 'There is an observer at each Fut/Mat." There in lies the
problem. When I was on the Fut. Committee, each Fut/Mat judge was given
a contract that stated they would do the loose lead temperament exam.
They were also given a tape of the procedure. Now I guess it is a DVD.
The observer (I was the first one and I originally thought it was a good
idea) is given a form to fill out after the judging. It basically asked
three questions: one, was the loose lead temperament exam done properly,
two, were there any dogs who showed questionable temperament and
thirdly, did the judge award any of the questionable dogs with a
placing? I decided that I, sitting at ringside, was not qualified to
answer the questions to the best of my ability. I thought the judge was
in charge of the ring and had the best advantage when it came to
answering these questions. I asked the judge and the judge said that
the test was done properly, several dogs were questionable and no awards
were given to these dogs.
In my opinion, the observer is not in a position to answer the
questions. Anyone who had judged will agree that many things happen in
the ring that is not seen or noticed by ringside. Having an observer
puts unnecessary pressure on the judge because a negative report has the
possibility of that judge being sanctioned by the the parent club. I
think many dogs are excused for temperament because of the presence of
the observer. Someone correct me if I am wrong. I no longer support
the observer program and think it needs to be eliminated. D.D.
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