It wasn't a stupid thing you did friend, I would have done the same. I'm sorry for your experience:( When I decided to have my 9 year old neutered & tacked at the same time, (he hadn't bloated) I had quite the opposite experience. We did blood work and an EKG prior and the day of his surgery, we arrived at 8:30 and were on our way home shortly after noon. He was higher than a kite I might add (!!!) and in no pain. I do think his throat may have hurt the following day a lil' bit from the anestia tube, since he didn't want the ice cream I'd bought for him, but he really did enjoy the buttered toast w/ peach jam (no kidding!!!). I came away thinking, for the oldsters, if they need to be under for anything else, (a bitch when spayed, if I neuter a male), it's something I'll do. I did BTW choose the laporoscopic procedure. I'm sure it's very different when a dog is having an emergency than when surgery is planned. My guy's mother passed at 13, maybe even 14. They knew she had a mass on her spleen, but she was happy and eating etc., but I remember hearing HER owner describing the last ride to the vet, the distress and thinking perhaps she was bloating on the way. I'm not exactly sure what role age and loss of muscle tone has to do with the whole thing, or as a dog ages, other things that seem to creep up on them might not trigger it...but I can't get my head around that it doesn't...so if I can spare them that, I will. Probably self indulgent on my part, but after losing a youngster to it, I'm terrified to go through it again. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds In a message dated 1/19/2009 6:15:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rockannand@xxxxxxx writes: But, the pain I saw in his eyes as he fought his way through recovery had me realize I'd made a selfish mistake. I should have let him go... it was a stupid, stupid thing I did.... just for me. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================