I agree... Having to been to both the GSD Specialty Shows which usually do not have any outside spectators but the Schutzhund events did. This tells me that unless you are involved in showing a dog or have friends there, etc. the Specialty Shows are not much fun for a outsider. I have not heard so much negative comments at GSD Specialty Shows about the people there but not the case with Judges and GSDs that were both German-American lines. However, it seems even here I see this but do not understand it. As if you truly love the GSD and it is a great dog for he was bred to do this should not separate our feelings for that dog. Sometimes what some consider a Pet GSD has better conformation and movement than the show dog does. The GSD Standard can be interpreted differently by each individual of what one might see another sees a different view. It would interesting to see at a Specialty Show a lifetime GSD Statue of the GSDCA Breed Standard Poster to see how they match up. Theresa On Wed, 4/2/14, Helen Franklin <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: in one word...."FUN"...It's no longer "fun" for the new person. They rarely win, it costs money, people are not friendly, and the whole experience is not a good one. Why return? They don't. The breeder of their "show dog" talks badly about the other breeders and their dogs, rarely risks a good one on a novice, and negativity abounds around the ring. In Schutzhund, they welcome and make newcomers a part of the event. They give all entries ribbons and everyone is smiling. They offer FRIENDLY advice, they have a beer fest and food and it's a party, and it's a family fun day....enjoyable! When I went, people talked to me and explained what was happening in an effort to both educate and invite me back not having a clue as to my involvement in dogs or not. I was made to want to return.............we have a lot to learn. If we want our conformation ring to survive and we want more than 4 dogs for a Major with only superior dogs exhibited in National competition, big changes need to be made. It is not about "us" and our ego's, but about German Shepherd's and their future! Helen Franklin ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================