I am not against showing long coats, it is setting up a class which in my opinion says the fault is okay, lets embrace it and make a class for them to be shown in. They don't need a seperate class, they can be shown in the regular classes like every other dog that has a missing tooth, or bad temperament, locked hocks right along with the other dogs that do not have these faults and I am okay with that. But a seperate class, there is no need. The dogs with a missing tooth can be beautifully structured and move correctly they don't have their own class. Show your coats no one is stopping you, it doesn't say you can't show them. But to have a seperate class to me is not right. There are other ways to make money without sacrificing our breed / standard. Another thing, if we are trying to make money because of the Centennial Celebration with the WDA portion of it which I have always said we may have bitten off more then we can afford, if this is the reason for trying to make more money etc., then maybe we should not have extended ourselves in the first place. I am trying to be a team player here but I just do not agree with a few things that is happening. Money isn't worth sacrificing the integrity of the GSD standard and the breed. Show your coats if they are good enough, the judge will and some have put them up, there is no need for a seperate class to judge them. MYJOY SHEPHERDS Joyce Willis -----Original Message----- From: Destinogs1 <destinogs1@xxxxxxx> To: InquestGSD <InquestGSD@xxxxxxx>; tanbarkgsd <tanbarkgsd@xxxxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 10:39 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: THE BOARD I agree with Chris. This class will not hurt anyone. Those that want to show heir long coats will enter. Long coats are not for everyone, but they do appen and they are German Shepherd Dogs. I showed a long coat in a futurity nd placed. That was years ago when placing in a futurity was a big deal. I dmit that her head was a little cleaned up, but nevertheless she had beautiful tructure and character. She was then placed in a pet home and enjoyed a good ife as a companion. This was my mistake. I should have kept her and bred her. ontrolling the long coat gene is not difficult, you just have to do some esearch on what you are planning to breed to. The board is trying to think outside of the box and include others to help the rganization. This is a good thing. Not all ideas are great, but they are hinking and trying to help. They work many hours for the benefit of this rganization. I applaud their efforts. The World Trial is another topic I want to comment on. The entire Centennial elebration is a HUGH undertaking and needs the support of all members and non embers. The WDA portion of the GSDCA-WDA is working diligently to make this a onderful event for all who attend. Not everyone has the expertise to assist on he World Trial portion as a worker, but you can purchase a dinner ticket, come o the stadium and watch our breed perform, and purchase a remembrance of the ntire event. We are all one family. We own German Shepherd Dogs. This is not bout bloodlines, it is about OUR breed and OUR club. We can make this a uccess! Mary Mary Gattone SDCA -WDA General Director SDCA-WDA Liaison ospitality Chair of the 2013 World Trial Committee SDCA member since 1978 -----Original Message----- rom: InquestGSD <InquestGSD@xxxxxxx> o: tanbarkgsd <tanbarkgsd@xxxxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 8:50 am ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: THE BOARD ery good post Chris Ileana * ve me, love my dogs. n a message dated 6/30/2012 12:51:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nbarkgsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: Hi Pauline es, you are correct, just wanted to point out that sometimes new ideas e not alwyas popular and then turn out to be a good thing. My own opinion truly that this will not be successful and will die of natural causes. e only reason I'm not getting all upset about it is that it's not going "hurt" the breed per say. The issue with the DQ faults was totally acceptable to me, there again, the board trying to think outside the box. y big concern is the future of our American Show Dog, it is becoming an danged species and USsCA is waiting in the wings for that to happen. I am t a big believer in the sky is falling, but in this particular case, we e getting close. The fiscal situation of our club is very concerning, d with this 2013 World Trial Event looming, I don't think we have the man wer nor money power to be equipt to pull this off. I so hope I'm wrong! o I guess for me personally, a Long Coat class is not on the high iority list to be concerned about. I truly believe the board is tyring to nd ys for people to get and stay involved, this class certainly won't make ough money to make a difference, but perhaps gain a few people who will t involved in the club and the breed. our post was excellent and I agree with what you said. There are several eeder judges who serve on our board, and I would venture to guess that veral would put up a coat (without a seperate class) if it were the best g in the winners class. With that being said, I also believe that on a tional level, that will more than likely not happen, the quality of the gular coated dogs will be too deep. I think this board is more forward inking than we've had in a while, so I try to support some of these ideas, at east not blast them out of the saddle for trying a new program, even if ey are not always the "best" ideas. Not sure how this all came about, I nder if the decision from the SV to offer the long stock coat class fluenced this perhaps, but I'm only speculating. e certainly are loosing the battle to the German/Euro dogs, their eeders are marketing experts and they are gaining popularity with their ows. t hardly any professional handlers and many young peole including pre and enagers showing the dogs. I've been to a couple of those shows, know veral of the people, and can understand why it's gaining momentum every ar. ith that said, I don't want to loose my American Show Dogs, I love them, at is what I breed and show, and want to support our GSDCA in keeping our 2 vote in the world union seat and not have USsCA overtake us. ave a GREAT weekend, love reading your posts, you are always a great ice of reason. hris Chris S. (Jolley) Kimerer tp://www.tanbarkgsd.com/ rCh. Tanbark's 2MuchBling Joelle Aramist OFA H/E Ch. 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