I agree. Points are not "stolen". They are "awarded". Hopefully, they are awarded to the dog and bitch who best represent the standard on that day. If a puppy is old enough to compete, it is old enough to take points. I see nothing in the standard about age. When people start adding criteria that are not in the standard, that is when we run into problems with judging! Zoa Dr. Zoa Rockenstein www.riverrockshepherds.com Home of: Ch. RiverRock's Hotel California RN HSAs CHIC (Callie), Ch. RiverRock's Heart of the Matter (Luke, co-owned with Scott Krook),RiverRock's Straight From The Heart PT (Sera), RiverRock's Karla v. Kenlyn (ch. pointed), and Kenlyn's Nakita (Nikki, co-owned with Kent Boyles). Proud GSDCA Member and AKC Breeder of Merit ----- Original Message ---- From: Hickoryhill <hickoryhillgsd1@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Fri, February 18, 2011 4:30:18 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: THAT PUPPY STOLE MY POINTS AND TITLE! From my viewpoint if the puppy is the best dog that day, the points should be awarded accordingly. Points should not be awarded on age, but on quality. Many judges fret over giving puppies points because they fear the puppy may "fall apart" and they would look foolish and be ridiculed down the road for giving it points. However the alternative is to give an older dog points that lacks merit, simply because he is older. Yes, puppies can fall apart, but an older average speciman will always be average and will never get better. It is what it is. I think I would fret more if I gave a dog points and found out that he had been shown for quite a while and had been struggling to finish! I feel the same about Best of Breed. Best of Breed means the best of the breed on that day. Just because a finished animal is shown, does not mean he is worthy of Breed because he is already a champion, the dog should be the best exhibited that day in the judges opinion, whether a champion, WD or WB . Again, I don't think you should be judging the dogs prior record, you should be judging the merit of all animals shown as specials on that day against the standard. Again, many judges fret if they don't reward the Special BOB, then they will be subject to ridicule by some of the fancy, or by those who lost on that day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Galasso" <uwish@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "Showgsd-l" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 3:11:19 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] THAT PUPPY STOLE MY POINTS AND TITLE! http://insidethegermanshepherddogsworld.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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