Steve Grainger hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx EarthLink Revolves Around You. Just got home from work..so haven't read but a few posts on the thread of temperament testing, poor execution of temperaments tests and temperament being the least of the problems in the breed. I agree with the position that the temperament test should be done by those that sign the contract in a uniform fashion..actually the TT should be done in a uniform fashion period...doesn't matter if a fut, National, or regular show. the object of the TT should be to ferret out those animals, who under as normal a circumstance as we can create..cannot and do not act in a manner that is acceptable to our breed. If you question how our breed is supposed to act or react..re-read the standard..I know of no other breed standard as clear as ours on temperament and character. However..let's cut to the chase..there are some..and I have read their posts..who have unsound animals..and who are constantly looking to assign blame whenever their dogs act badly..it is always someone elses fault.....t he judge..the loud speaker...the judge did the tt first instead of later..whatever..bottom line it is an excuse. Now...I will agree that we are losing some things in the breed structurally that make our breed unique from others namely movement..however..lest we all forget..long before we knew what sidegait, forehand, angulation and high withered were..we fell in love with the breed for its appearance, character and trainability...so we must never lose site of this very important aspect of our breed. Sidegait, too is important..if not.we could show "King" down the road..who was big an pretty.but can't move...so here's the deal... you have to have it ALL..the best possible temperament, structure and trainability..if not..you cheat the breed and lower the standard bar. C. Grainger ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the Poster and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original poster AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For technical help and administrative matters, please contact the List Administrators at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================