[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Swim in the pool you have
- From: carolyn mckenna <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx" <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx>, "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:24:10 -0800 (PST)
It doesn't work today because few really good German dogs make their way to
American
soil. In the 50s and 60s we had some great dogs imported, and they made their
mark on
the American dogs. There are good dogs in Germany, but they stay in Germany.
Do not
think for even one minute that American judges look for different conformation
and
movement than they did years ago. The standard has not changed, and judges
still aim
for structure and temperament as described in that standard.
Carolyn
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From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx>
To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 5:31 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Swim in the pool you have
Does anyone know why GSD breeders stopped the German-American crosses they did
years ago? I know even today a few breeders still do use this formula but it
still seems to make sense that it worked years ago why not today. I
know American judges do look for different conformation and movement than they
did years ago but I am looking at it for health and temperament reasons. Not
that the German GSD's are healthier just opens up not bottlenecking when
breeding the American GSD's.
Theresa
On Thu, 12/15/11, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: ELG440@xxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:57:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Swim in the pool you have
While I have no objection to a larger gene pool, remember that it means
less predictability in the breeding results.
If you increase the gene pool for no other reason than to have more
options, it is like breeding more litters to get more puppies. You should
only
bring additional genes into the breed, if it will improve the breed.
Those who for years have successfully bred German shepherds have done so
with the current gene pool selecting for breedings that will improve the
subsequent litters. So far I have not seen anyone say that they can't find a
male to breed to because everything is tainted. In fact the quality of our
dogs improves year by year.
We could open the gene pool by breeding to outcrosses all the time. That is
a pattern for disaster, or at least an inability to know what you will
get. You might get a dog of quality, but will that animal ever produce
itself?
Breeding is not an exact science, but it is something that will allow the
intelligent breeder to predict with some degree of possibility what they
will get from the choices. If you bring in new lines, you need the knowledge
of what they have produced both good and bad.
It is unfortunate but true, that no matter where you go, the only reliable
information you can have is what you yourself have observed. No country
has a monopoly on honesty. You do not know what is in the rest of the
litter from that great male from Germany, unless you yourself were there to
see
those not shown.
Increasing the gene pool is more of a "feel good" thing, than an actual
boon to the breed. You have to understand that you get the good with the
bad. Or, you may get just the bad, and that can be a real problem with our
breed.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Evan Ginsburg
Asgard German Shepherds
http://www.asgardgsd.com/
Where Type Movement and Temperament come together
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