No, probably not. But I think some of the newbies would. I show in UKC and AKC, and some things are just more permissible in the UKC world. One day I may have to decide whether I would breed a dog I had to a white, or breed something that I couldn't show in AKC, but would be ok in UKC. Denise W. http://sabianshepherds.tripod.com for show and performance *join my site ring* ----- Original Message ---- From: Kay Reamensnyder Betty Doerpinghaus <bedkar@xxxxx> To: bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx; rockannand@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; gsdstyle@xxxxxxx Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:49:20 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Subject: A stud by any other name is still just a stud.... I have always felt that successful long-time breeders should deserve some type of designation...."Journeyman Breeder".....and that new breeders should re required to do "apprenticeships" to register their first litters.......I also know that AKC would NEVER go for that kind of program. -Kay Reamensnyder and Betty Doerpinghaus -Home of Bedkar German Shepherds -bedkar@xxxxx -Visit our Website: www.bedkargsd.com > From: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:16:52 -0400> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Subject: A stud by any other name is still just a stud....> To: rockannand@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Gsdstyle@xxxxxxx> > > Have read both sides of the argument on this, and have mixed feelings so of > course here's the reason.> > My first shepherd in the early 70's was in my eye the best dog ever, but I > had never been to a dog show or really looked at "great" shepherds. She did > obedience training (think we all started there) and got her CD. I wanted to > breed her because she was so smart and beautiful in my eye. She was a silver > sable, a little square with a good back, dark eyes and nice feet, though I > did not know that then.But she sure lacked pigment and angulation. I managed > to get Don and Ann Brown's name, Sybarite GSD's, and called to breed to a > dog....any dog. They asked me to come over and bring the bitch. They had > some stunning animals, though I still had no idea what made them that. They > were so kind to me and my Astra, and I ended up breeding to a Morgan son. They > charged me $100 so it was not about the money for them, with the promise I > would bring the pups over and let Ann evaluate the litter. Agreed.> It was their was of being kind and trying to educate. > This relationship turned into a many year mentorship, close friendship and > long term dedication on my part to this breed. There were many who gathered > at their place weekly, their door was always open. We all learned together.> > So, if they had slammed their door on me then, would I still be in this 36 > years later?? Don't think so. > It is an odd balance when someone calls to breed to your dog. You have to > take the time to feel them out, see their purpose, see their bitch and be > kind!! To offer suggestions.....> Doors th at slam hard are difficult to open.> > By the way, 3 of the 4 pups from that bitch went into pet homes and had a > great life, living many years. Were they mediocre, maybe. 1 bitch I kept at > Ann's suggestion...she won a couple large puppy matches and got her Ch. > ...................hooked for life!! And I was so disappointed my silver girl > had no silver babies!!! 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