[ SHOWGSD-L ] Stud Dog Owners
- From: Susan Madlung <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>
- To: Elsyd1@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:40:02 -0700
Syd, if you chose to personalize what I am saying, then do so.. however, my
philosophy of breeding has nothing to do with 30 years in the sport or 1..
What I am saying is that if you own a stud dog, and you are going to stand
that dog at stud then you have to be prepared to back up what your dog and
the bitch produce - you can do this by ensuring that the bitch owner is a
breeder of moral fortitude, see a copy of their sales contract.. ASK what
they would do if problems arise..
What I believe is that stud dog owners have a greater responsibility to the
offspring than simply getting the deed done and taking the cash..they also
need to "be there" is some way shape or form if the proverbial SH*T does hit
the fan..
Again.. this is MY philosophy..
Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds
http://www.shadowacre.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: <Elsyd1@xxxxxxx>
To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:49 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Fw: [amergsd] Stud Dog Owners
>
>
> Wow, now the stud dog owner is responsible for problems with the buyers.
> List, there is a lot of stuff going on that is a personal vendetta. I am
not
> going to address this topic again, as I know Jim and Edie, and they always
do
> the right thing. Shalom, Syd.
> PS( I was particularly interested in the way Jim and Edie had nothing but
> good things to say about Ken and Kathy...amazing, isn't it?
>
> In a message dated 8/6/2005 10:25:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Rbuffdogs
> writes:
> Hello
> As with every story there are two sides. There are inconsitancies here
and
> untruths in the post that was sent by Elsyd on behalf of another party.
Now
> before anyone slams me , saying I am being nasty about Syd, I love Syd to
> pieces, and would do anything for her. But I digress..
>
> If in any line with any type of animals ,the breeders and stud owner
can
> not be honest about the facts then it leaves victimized owners with
nothing.
> I am sick to death of people that claim to be standup and then when it
hits
> the fan , then do nothing. It is about breeders and breeding parties
that
> are only to happy to help, and cajole and revel in success and sales, but
when
> a failure happens, cant be bothered or say things when pressed for help
and I
> quote.. "please don't bother us futher with this , it is just too
> stressful." It is about SPIN CONTROL rather than standing up and FIXING a
mess. It is
> about apathy , it is about integrity, and doing your best to make amends
in
> a tough situation. It is about taking and returning phonecalls from
> distraught owners. It is about taking some initiative and some
responsibility after
> the fact and calling owners of your stud or bitches' progeny to let them
know
> there may be a problem with their dog....or in the face of bad news, to
call
> them, to HELP them, to SUPPORT them, and to STAND BY YOUR ANIMALS, and
be
> true to your previous statements. I don't care if you breed dogs, or
> chickens, if you own the rooster or the hen, so to speak.
> This topic has been brought to light, because we are being contacted
> DAILY by heartbroken owners, that canNOT GET CALLS RETURNED OR get not
much more
> than apathy or "gee, sorry" from anyone else. We have brought this to
light
> because this is a longstanding pattern with the breeder, who is good at
what
> she does, which is con and abuse people and their trust.
>
> It is not lost on me how ironic that all was "hunky dorry" when everyone
was
> winning, making money, puppies were being sold, bitches being bred...it
was
> all good. Now, where is everyone ????
> People talk a big game about being open about health issues, and about
being
> standup individuals......until they are put to the test in a big way.
> I will not apologize for bringing to light a WHOLLY unethical breeder. I
> will not apologize for dislike of the apathy and excuses heaped upon
owners by
> the owners of both stud and dam. I will not apologize for HATING the
> disloyalty that has left Ken and Myself to answer some very difficult
questions by
> heartbroken owners, when we sold only two of the eight dogs....we owned
> neither the sire nor the dam. But here we are, left holding the
bag......and I will
> not apologize for calling BS on the attempt at spin control that is going
> on.
> We have NOTHING to hide, and no reason . All we want is for the owners
to
> get satisfaction for their heartache, and for all the parties involved in
the
> ownership of the breeding animals to stand behind these puppies......esp
the
> breeder .
> Oh yeah, everyone wants honesty and disclosure, until it involves someone
> they know or THINK they know third party...then they don't want to
believe it.
> Even when the facts are undeniable, even when proof is positive, even
when it
> is a pattern, even when STILL nothing has or is being done for the
owners.
>
> So we are left with a decision, to save ourselves and do spin control on
a
> terrible situation, and give excuses like the other parties ...or to stand
up
> and try to HELP these owners....we chose the latter, and boy it sure is
> lonely out here. But at least I can sleep at night.
> I will make no further public comment on ANY of this as the details were
> never intended to be public . Further emails on the subject will have to
come to
> me privately. The whole matter makes me want to throw up.
> Kathy Gray
>
>
> Finest in American Show & German Importing
> WEBSITE UPDATED: JUNE 6, 2005
>
>
>
>
>
> _Victory German Shepherds_
(http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/index.htm)
>
>
>
> Syd Mailberg 425-432-4144
> 23910 SE 276th St
> Maple Valley, Wa. 98038
> www.kingswoodgermanshepherds.homestead.com
>
>
>
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