I agree Helen. Maybe we do need a format of what the judge needs to say about the winners. As I understand it we are discouraged to mention faults--like--"could be better going", and should only mention positive aspects. I think that could be a tad difficult in making folks understand our placings--but--I suppose it can be done. Helen I think a form to discuss WD,RWD,WB,RWB,BB,BOS,BP,BOP and SELECTS, would be educational. I think we need to consider, if doing this, that it is one person's evaluation. It should be stated as such--there are many problems with this and it would need too be discussed with a number of knowledgable GSDC members. Helen,why don't you try to prepare this type form to submit to the PC? You sure have the qualifications--you and Anne are our GSDC mentors and MOMS. Just a thought with many problems! Sandi Card ----- Original Message ----- From: <VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx> To: <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Stormy's post/ now critiques > > In a message dated 12/7/2006 7:05:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, > Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: > The education committee of the GSDCA should format an outline of a > proper > critique. What should be noted and described for each animal that one > critiques. It might make it more educational and informative. > > I could not agree more. While I don't want to turn this into a > German/American thing, I love reading their reports/critiques. > > > > > I've judged in many foreign countries,So America. Finland,and So Africa > etc,that require you to critique every dog you judge. They have a printed > spread > sheet that they show you the night before,so you can see how it'd done. > I've > done it two ways,but it is always done with the dog in from of you. I > personally have filled it out,or some of the clubs have a secretary in > ring to > either fill it out as you dictate for the form,or if you have something > particular > to speak about. After the breed is done,you get to check your sheet for > any > mistakes,and the sign it > Obviously it's not done in USA shows ,other than Nationals,and some > specialties, because of AKC Time limits in judging. But it does take > time. But I > also remember judging a few Canadian Specialties that you vocally > critiqued > the winners after the show. As I understand, the ones in the Review were > discontinued ,because,they were becoming so generic ,and more > importantly. with > the people who were NOT attending that show to view the competitin,it was > meaningless Helen Miller Fisher > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or > FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the > original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY > MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS > PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY > FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL > BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues > ============================================================================ > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================