[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Still Watching The USCA Sieger show
- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'Dyan Merkel'" <vhmerkel@xxxxxxxxx>, <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Show List'" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 14:35:37 -0700
I don't see that difference in the "tight ligamentation"....but in
the actual structure. What I do see is upright pasterns that have
no cushioning for the dog on landing. They actually 'lift' their feet
UP like other Breeds in gaiting with no easy cushioned landing.
REAR feet are angled OUT on most to appear almost cow-hocked.
Long upper arms...which is nice....but SHORT shoulder blades. I think
that is why their necks are set low, and their backlines angle down
to meet the blade, instead of a nice wither sloping into the back.
I am SURPRISED that the carped back has not improved at all by now?
BUT.....
what really surprises me is the "shallow" forechests I see. There is
literally no posternum on any of these dogs. They are ALL narrow
and hollow through the chest area between the front legs...and yet
depth of ribbing from the side seems fine. Odd....
I don't "hate" these dogs as you say they hate our conformation dogs.
THAT in itself is a sad commentary on their willingness to observe
and learn! On the other hand...MANY HERE could learn from what they
expect and have in temperament!
I am and always have been an "observer"...and I am always looking for
a really nice German dog. But I see these issues SO consistently..
(Also...I LOVE the consistency in handlers everywhere....they too
are all lifting their hands to signal....MORE...MORE! ) <G>
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
From: "" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "vhmerkel@xxxxxxxxx"
for DMARC)
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 12:10 PM
To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Show List'
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Watching The USCA Sieger show
When dogs are pulling they exert more energy thus wearing down a dog not in
condition or structurally not right. Judges won't even be watching the pull
around for many laps just to wear them down. The go fast, then the walk,
fast and then several laps of the walk again. The off lead gaiting is what
also makes or breaks the placing. Off lead will show the drive and front
better as well as a balanced stride not to mention the handlers control of
the dog as they make many passes off lead with their dogs. Of course the
courage test has ultimately determined who will be leading the class and who
will be winning. Dogs that run due to fear most times are not able to get
a rating. These dogs are bred for tight ligamentation and there in lies
the difference between the two AKC vs German Showline GS's. All dogs who V
rate are the best and high V rated dogs also get lots of breedings in
Germany. Hence the consistency of type.
At any large show I still only find around 4 animals if that many that I
would consider taking home for my tastes, same when I see the German Dogs.
I am just happy that they have bred those carp backs out and the short
necks.. These dogs have become much more elegant. It's okay, their
structure is getting better and the working dog people really hate the AKC
conformation and the SV show line dogs equally so all are getting closer in
similarity to bring such contempt from those people. lol
On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:58 AM, Carolyn Martello
<marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Appreciate Lew Bunch posting this on the List.
We have checked in and watched it off and on when we come in.
We kind of like the 'casualness' of the show...people everywhere,
even in the ring and toys in the ring.
But...they obviously do not care about a nice easy long striding
gait for herding....as you just CANNOT find it anywhere.
Beautiful animals with wonderful temperament. Striking how much
the dogs look alike. Almost all have beautiful coats, reddish color,
great heads, nice bone and most have nice long saber tails.
But....
Nice easy trot with suspension off of a nice rear drive and front
extension? ......NOT SO MUCH!! <G> VERY restricted.
More like 'dredging' dogs....trained to pull HARD. No one has to
run fast to keep up...so it appears almost anyone can handle? You
just need a STRONG left arm.
Almost all have toplines or backs as angulated as our rears. <G>
Necks seem to be short and set on low.
All that is OK I guess....as long as the wicket fits. <G>
What I do like...everyone seems to really like their dog...instead
of them just being a commodity.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
-----Original Message-----
From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Cynthia VanDenBerge (Redacted sender "vande001@xxxxxxxxx" for
DMARC)
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 7:08 AM
To: Show List
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] The USCA Sieger show
Is anyone watching the live stream from Purina? I have not seen any
comments. There is an impressive entry and the dogs I am seeing are pretty
typical of the dogs you would expect to see at any German Show-line style of
show. You might want to watch as an educational experience.
Cynthia
============================================================================
POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original
author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any
kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of
the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and
its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions
expressed in any post.
ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY
MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS
PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY
FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE
PROSECUTED.
For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org/ SUBSCRIPTION:
http://showgsd.org/mail.html
NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/
============================================================================
============================================================================
POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original
author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any
kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of
the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and
its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions
expressed in any post.
ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY
MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS
PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY
FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE
PROSECUTED.
For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org/ SUBSCRIPTION:
http://showgsd.org/mail.html
NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/
============================================================================
============================================================================
POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original
author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind
are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the
Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its
administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in
any post.
ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY
MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS
PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY
FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE
PROSECUTED.
For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:
http://showgsd.org/mail.html
NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/
============================================================================
Other related posts:
