I see a lot of Pit Bulls with their tails wagging at everyone all day long. It appears to be very benign wagging at everything and everyone. I experienced what bothers me about that while at the river with a dog a few years ago. A happy happy beautiful fawn colored adult Pit Bull playing happily with it's own family and two of their kids retrieving and playing in the water. It spotted me sitting with an 8 month old GSD about 150 feet away....stopped and stared at us...stiffened and started towards us with "that look". The owners started calling it and it did not respond but continued towards me with that stiff legged "look". Owners continued to call and coerce...dog did not listen but was "locked into" me sitting in the sand chair. Watching all this unfold....as he got closer I picked up a big rock and prepared myself for what was coming and as I started to stand up.....the 8 mos. old GSD laying beside me saw the Pit Bull and stood up and ROARED at it.....the dog startled...'snapped out' of it's aggressive trance-like approach and finally turned and responded to the owners and went to them. WHEW!!! I personally think what has been bred into them is often just below that thin surface and once they go into that 'mode'.......they are hard to bring back at the moment. I do not see it as a protective or provoked behavior......but just something always there that can surface. ALL of the attacks by P.B's I know of are ALL unprovoked....... and never protective..... Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx To: marcatoshepherds@xxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Kathy Tank Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:39 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Sterotyping PIT BULLS the big difference is a GSD bite is like a car crash....a p it bull bite is like a plane crash...I came real close to shooting one about 20 years ago while checking up on one of my parolees.....a few years ago in San Jose my blind ex-wife and her guide dog Woodson were attacked by a pit bull...thank God for the by-standers that came to her aid.....it could have been a real bad seen.....these dogs always seem to be in the hands of owners that should not have them....Ed From: "Jackie Short-Nguyen" <marcatoshepherds@xxxxxxxxx> I find this whole conversation ironic. Not hard to say the exact same thing about GSDs. Incorrect temperaments are rampant in our breed. -- Jackie & Jonathan Nguyen Marcato German On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Jackie Short-Nguyen <marcatoshepherds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > *these dogs were **bred for hundreds of years to fight*. <--Yes. Bred to> fight *other dogs*. > Did you know back in the day when pit fighting was legal, dogs had to be > broken up for various reasons (point scoring, resetting, etc), and dogs > that turned on their handlers were euthanized on the spot (shot)? > > Human aggression is INAPPROPRIATE in the APBT breed, unlike our own breed, > which SHOULD possess suspicion and aggression towards humans when > necessary. A *correct *German Shepherd Dog is (and should be) more likely > to bite than a *correct* American Pit Bull Terrier > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================