Fine. I have had plenty of dogs who aren't recessive for coats w/ lovely, correct coats and who produce lovely correct coats. OTOH I have dogs recessive for coats that produce a too silky outer-coat when bred to another dog recessive for coats. If I didn't ever have another long coat it wouldn't hurt my feelings. Yes, pet people snatch them right up (and I am eternally grateful to them for that!), but they reduce my # of puppies to consider in a litter. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 7/29/2014 9:21:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: On the other hand where would the breed be without COATS? Morgan Lewis, RPh. Member GSDCA President Last Hope of Georgia 501c3 "So Much to Do, So Little Time" On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:19 PM, "dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I have NEVER and I mean NEVER (and I had show horses, 3 day horses and race horses), I repeat NEVER gotten more dirty than when taking dogs herding. I do NOT want to think of what was in the muck and mire I wore home with me! I quickly learned to bring a cooler of cold water for me because I would have been too embarrassed to go through a drive through on the way home! Here was the getting home ritual...get the dogs out of the van and throw them in the back. Go downstairs to the unfinished basement, throw one at a time in the grooming tub. Back outside for the wet dogs. CLEAN the dog crates in the van. Shower for me. Blow damp dogs dry. Another shower for me. Collapse. I get an occasional coat. Puppy buyers love them. None live here. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 7/29/2014 7:08:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Great Post Julie. We've never had a dog herd sheep on nice well groomed grass. ALWAYS in the dirt, muck, droppings and dry weedy terrain...where the sheep are. <G> Even with that ~ long coats in the snow are an absolute nightmare!! The ice balls form on the coat and WILL NOT MELT, will not dry off..will not comb out or blow out. The dog remains WET and COLD for a LOT longer period of time than a good correct GSD normal coat that repels the problems. Difficult for Search and Rescue dogs in both types of terrain. So many think some of us are just "against change" when you are against a change like this. Often some never seem to consider the real reason for the Standard and the restrictions it may have. I do not see how this "change" in the Standard will improve the Breed?? Coats are already allowed to be shown and used for breeding as it is. But coats actually cause the Breed to be LESS versatile for those looking for a good working dog in any field. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com -----Original Message----- From: "" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "ejdegen@xxxxxxx" for DMARC) Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 9:18 AM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Standard change I think long coats are beautiful. I love looking at them, touching them and feeling their beautiful coats. I also feel the long coat should remain a fault. Our breed is FIRST a herding breed. They were developed in a climate that has a lot of rain and mud. I have long coated GSDs that come herding at my house. They are a MESS in the rain and mud. Besides the filth, the mud hardens on their coat and weighs them down. The softer hair between their pads collects the mud (and /or ice and snow) and causes sore feet. 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