Great post, Betty. We recently had a list discussion about the temperament of the dogs in the "good old days". It was mentioned that the judge had to ask permission to examine the dog, and that a friend dare not come up and clap the owner on the back in a friendly manner. I was appalled at the number of people who wondered why we don't have this 'wonderful' temperament in the breed these days. The breeders over the years have wisely tempered that temperament down, Thank God. Those dogs were useless, ( it does not take a constantly alert, "on guard" suspicious dog to protect), and they are very dangerous. Dogs that will not allow approach to their owners have bad temperament, in my opinion, and their owners do also, to allow such bull. Syd In a message dated 1/17/2007 10:03:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, BJBuie@xxxxxxx writes: Aloof and watchful and situationally appropriate is one thing. Any dog who thinks he has the right to bite a human because they are too close to their person or making them do something they don't want to do has no place in the show ring or breeding program. Masking the symptoms by utilizing a handler with the experience and skill to know how to control and condition these dogs for the show ring or the temperament test does nothing but give a false sense of security. SYD MAILBERG 23910 SE 276TH ST MAPLE VALLEY, WA 98038 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================