[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Spinal Issue with Rescued GSD
- From: Sander-Haus <sanderhaus@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Jen Proud <proudk9@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:12:35 -0500
dear jen,
i am not misinformed. why did you ask if you already have the answer??
i knew someone earlier this year who went to one of the best vets on the east
coast thinking their pup, same age as the one you speak of had this due to the
way he was walking. he had a lot of rear, which he outgrew now and he lacked
muscle tone due to her not giving him enough exercise which she realized.
she was told by this vet (who was her second opinion vet) and her own vet
prior, that it was doubtful especially due to no pain that he had this. hips
were x-rayed and were good. had no bladder nor colon issues nor a dead tail.
you know the pup you are talking about. maybe he exhibits pain. i merely
passed on what i was told. period.
please don't reply to me directly as i made one comment which you disagree on
and i don't care to keep going back and forth.
best of luck to the puppy.
susan
Sander-Haus German Shepherd Dogs
www.Sander-Haus.com
Members of GSDCA, WDA, SV of Germany
On Dec 30, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Jen Proud <proudk9@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> he is well below the age that this disease develops and one of the main
>> clinical symptoms is obvious pain.
>>
>> susan
>
>
> Susan, I'm sorry you may have been misinformed on a point; but yes, clinical
> disease most often happens with adult dogs. There have been young pups/dogs
> who become affected clinically, due to severity in the individual &
> husbandry of that individual. Unfortunately, this little pup has had a rough
> ride in life so far- but yay(!!!) now has his chance.
> Many spinal problems cause very little pain at all; due to spine compression
> & pressure on the nerve roots, often a dog feels no pain at all (nor anything
> else sensory, and loss of motor skills to follow).
> One of the earliest case studies concerning CES (which is caused by many
> spinal deformities, IVDD, stenosis, transitional vertebrae, spondylitis to
> name a few), was a bitch who finished 4 agility titles shortly before
> surgery, not in a competitive fashion, but good runs, and her nerves were so
> compressed her tail became dead (one of the definitive ways to dx when the
> disease is clinical and progressing), she had both bladder atony & mega colon
> from the loss of nerve function.
> This dog had spine surgery shortly after the agility trials, as it was a
> continuing thing to figure out her problems, until a doc made all the
> connections. (BTW, this was a few years ago, before we had the knowledge we
> do now!). Many more have saved their dogs through early intervention due to
> experiences & sharing of dogs just like the above case- and I must mention
> that all the dogs I speak about are GSDs.
> The surgery is meant to stabilize the spine & prevent progression of the
> damage; the hope is that due to the relief of nerve root compression, the dog
> may gain back some lost functions.
> If this were a pup I was caring for, I would surely be doing just what is
> being done, exercise, conditioning, and bringing the poor guy back to
> health-- then reevaluate his performance at the time--- but the radiographs
> don't lie- even OFA (occasionally) notes those transitional vertebrae and
> stenosis because it's plain as the nose on their faces to see and comment on.
> Spinal diseases ARE INHERITABLE GENETIC DISEASES.
> Check out the research done on the Isle Royale Wolves (.org) site for more
> details done on an isolated population (perfect for genetic studies) on an
> island in Lake Superior for an in-depth study paper- which includes pictures
> of malformations that happen not only in the wolves, but the GSD and many
> other breeds of dog.
> A proactive owner and treatment can give this pup a mostly normal life; at
> least besides the condition of his hips that "aren't so great but seen
> worse"- but gratefully, we have repairs for that.
> I would also consider going to an orthopedic veterinarian to further evaluate
> both his spine and hips- if his hips are what are truly causing the issues at
> this time, he's of a perfect age to have many of the remodeling surgeries
> available; the last being a total hip replacement as an adult, but FHO & TPO
> are both best done before 1 year of age.
>
> But then, what do I know as only a vet tech, avid researcher & fellow breeder?
>
> JP&P
>
> JayDee's Proud-Haus Shepherds/Proud K911
> www.jaydeesphs.com
> Committed to the Total Dog you can be Proud of!!!
> AKC Breeder of Merit
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