What WAS the impetus for the dogs of the late '80's and early '90s to be so over angulated? Was there a particularly popular stud dog or was there some particular trait that the breeders were trying to accomplish? Was it that the judges were rewarding that look? When I first started showing, I saw some of the GSDs at that time and was glad that I chose to own a moderately angled girl. What are our goals now? What is the over-riding feature that needs to be bred OUT of the lines? Too feminine males? Too masculine bitches? Too little front? Teach me, please Stormy HOpe 69 and counting <vbg> *^*\/\/\/\/*^**^*\/\/\/\/*^**^*\/\/\/\/*^* Dog's love is different, it requires no return www.FairhopeGSD.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================