[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Speaking of male dogs/Keeping a male? - long

  • From: Zoa Rockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Cinosam GSD <cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx>, GSD <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:23:42 -0700 (PDT)

Thanks for taking the time to post this story.  I need to hear it all!
 
Zoa
Dr. Zoa Rockenstein
www.riverrockshepherds.com



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From: Cinosam GSD <cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx>
To: zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx; GSD <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:16:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Speaking of male dogs/Keeping a male? - long


I understand why you want to keep him...he's very nice. :o)
 
I was in exactly situation you are in 3 years ago.  I kept a bitch and a male 
out of one litter.  I wasn't planning on keeping the male but he was absolutely 
stunning just this big huggable bear.  I've always been partial to females but 
everyone had always told me males were better...more lovable...loyal.  So I 
kept him.
 
As it turned out...he was all those things everyone told me he would be...an 
absolute wonderful dog.....he got his first major at six months of age.....the 
girls didn't pick on him and he didn't pick on the girls and he loved me more 
than any of the bitches did.
 
Unfortunately all that changed when he was about a year and a half.  I was 
warned that the females in the house would beat him down and it was something I 
would need to watch....but that isn't what happened.  Instead he turned to 
terrorizing them.  Not in the sense that he attacked them..he just wouldn't 
leave them alone..constantly pounding on them in the yard so that it got to the 
point that no one wanted to go out with him.
 
The other issue I had was that he hated the neighbors St Bernard.  They would 
fence fight endlessly.  This was his house and his girls and he didn't want any 
other male dog around.  He was also very destructive.  He wanted to be in the 
house with me...so he took to tearing the siding off the house around the back 
door.  
 
The most obvious problem was dealing with the heat cycles.  When a bitch came 
in season even if she wasn't ready to be bred, he would start 
marking.....everywhere she went...sat...he would mark.  Then there would be the 
howling....when she was ready to be bred he would howl all night....I took to 
putting him out in the van so the house could get some sleep.  He also 
destroyed absolutely every kennel door that I have trying to get out to the 
bitches.  And then there is nothing like that sinking gut feeling when you 
realize that you've accidently put him outside before you brought the bitch in 
season back into the house....no accidental breedings...but it was close.
 
Two months ago I placed him in a wonderful pet home with no other dogs...he's 
the king of the house and I can see him whenever I want.  Peace at 
last....pease at last.
 
All of that said, I'm sure there are many that can find fault with how I 
handled the various situations...and my experience won't necessarily be yours.  
I know many people keep their males in the house and the females outside.....so 
that is one solution...though it doesn't sound like one that would work for you.
 
I also see this as sort of like childbirth...after awhile you forget about all 
the pain and start planning another child.....I find myself thinking about 
getting another male again one that isn't a brother or son to my bitches so I 
can eliminate the worry if there is an accidental breeding.....maybe I'm just a 
masochist at heart.
 
 
Cindy
 
 


Zoa Rockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I hope everyone will respond to the list on Tina's question below. This is very 
interesting to me, as is the "male problem" thread. I am considering keeping my 
first male. He is 3 mo old today. Since I also have two young bitches, this 
seems like a disaster waiting to happen! I have owned and raised many bitches. 
Normally, I would not keep a male. But, he's nice! What to do and how to do it? 
I've thought about a co-owner, but he has worked his way on me! I have a small 
house and yard and a couple of runs. Could it be as simple as taking down an 
apple tree, putting a third run in its place, boarding him when the bitches are 
in season, and hoping the neighbors don't report me to the City for having too 
many dogs? Moving is not an option for two years. It sounds a little crazy. 
But, he's nice! What would you do?

Zoa
Dr. Zoa Rockenstein
www.riverrockshepherds.com



----- Original Message ----
From: Christina Klahn 
To: GSD 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:11:38 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Speaking of male dogs


Okay, with the talk of male dogs being mothers...was this a personality trait 
from the start or did they have times you wondered?

I ask because I am very inexperienced, being a newbie of 2 years. I have a male 
that just turned 1 year. For the last 3 months or so, he seems to like to "pick 
fights" with dogs, although honestly, he's always seemed to have dominant 
tendencies. He even didn't like the other boy in the ring with him over the 
past weekend, which affected his performance. It's not all dogs, just ones he 
thinks he can beat. The exception is most toy size dogs. He plays well with 
these guys and there's only been one or two he's been bad with. I've had 
several people say it's not dog aggression and it's just "a young intact male" 
behavior. How true of a statement is this? Has anyone else gone through this? 
If so, how did you deal with it. I fear if it's not nipped in the bud, it will 
get worse and become dog aggression. However, I don't want to correct him 
inappropriately and help to make it worse. I have also already taken some steps 
at home to help him
understand I'm the leader,
but I'm not sure it's helping. I make sure I control resources, he works for 
his food (sit/down stays), I message him while he's relaxed on his side or 
back, I go first down stairs, through doors, etc. 

My goal is for all my dogs to be ambassadors for the GSD, especially with all 
the BSL lately. My girl is there and has been since she was a pup, but I'm 
worried about my male. Just to mention, he's really good with people accept at 
first at my house. Judges have even commented about his nice temperament in the 
ring during the "test." If anyone has suggestions or thoughts, I'd gladly 
accept.

Tina

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