As I recall, there was a tie to that much red and some health realted deficiencies, IBD or something of that nature, anyone out there that can confirm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: dlfefee@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2010 1:47:50 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Speaking of GSDs I'm disappointed also as I also heard they were really making great strides on improvement in the backs of these dogs. WOW.........hate to sound naive.....but HOW....HOW do they get so much depth of "color" in these dogs that there is not even the lighter shades under the belly and inside of the neck as we normally see here? Is this real.......or did someone forget to close the spray bottle?? I've never seen GSD where the red does not 'lighten" a shade on the underneath side of the tail and belly and neck..........?? <G> Regarding the movement.........any time you see a literal 'hole' or 'dip' where the choke chain is attached to the leash......the dog is REALLY pulling into the leash and the stride is not 'natural'....but the dog is being held up by the handler with a taut leash and the dog can lean into it to give the impression of length of stride. ( much like leaning forward as you push your little brother in his little red wagon.....take away the wagon for support and you fall on your face because your stride pushing into the wagon is not natural.......) <G> Sure can't argue the heads.........they are AWESOME!!! Same with coats and bone.....BEAUTY!! Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Fefee To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:35 AMSubject: Speaking of GSDs I found some pictures of the Sieger VA 1, Ober von Bad-Boll, on pedigreedatabase.com: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/482525.html http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/picturegallery/12316.html To my relatively "newbie eyes," those movement shots are at least in SOME respects, nicer than many I've seen published in the Review, although perhaps in one of them he might be kicking up some behind? I think he's got a masculine head. His length to height proportions are about 8.9 to 10, so he is somewhat too "square" according to the AKC standard. The biggest problem for me is that I do not like his topline. In fact I'm disappointed. I thought I'd heard they were making improvements in that area. I'm not bashing (or promoting)--just trying to perhaps open a line of discussion from which I can LEARN something. Anyone care to educate me? [Particularly if you've seen him in person.] Off list is fine--preferable, in fact, if you plan to call me an idiot. Donna Fefee . ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================