In a message dated 5/9/2006 7:23:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ladyaramis1@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: In my lonely opinion, the people who have the most champions are the people who are the hardest working -- learning all they can, working with their dogs all the time, and out there showing. Regards, Lee Smith I think it's a combination of things Lee. Good dogs, a must. Hard work, certainly. Showing a dog IN SITUATIONS WHERE THEY WILL BE COMPETITVE when they are ready to win, absolutely. ("Where they are competitive" seems a foreign idea to a lot of dog show folks. I trained race horses and every few weeks a "condition book" came out and it would list the upcoming races and eligibility requirements. You had Graded Stakes, Stakes, Allowance w/ conditions, maiden, maiden claiming and claiming races w/ various dollar increments. You could have a perfectly nice Allowance horse, but put him in a anything above that and he'd get beat the length of a football field. Dog shows always seemed similar to me. Although shows aren't "graded", there are shows and then there are SHOWS. There are a lot of nice dogs who will finish, and then there are those that are "stars". It's helpful to objectively look at stock and know the difference so that you don't take a perfectly nice dog where the "stars" will be. Like the aforementioned Allowance horse, all he'll see are rear ends in front of him! Blaming judging in those instances is just plain silly IMO.) BUT it would be naive to think learning to steer clear of nonsense isn't a factor in getting a dog done too. The last is part of a learning curve. Learning to separate "funny stuff" when it happens from grumbling of poor losers can be tricky. It's not an excuse for a worthy dog not finishing; they'll finish anyway. But...learn to "find the right spot" and what situations to stay away from and they'll finish quicker. Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================