Soy added to "our" food system (and the dogs) is a cheap source of protein and very different from the fermented soy products famous in the pacific rim countries w/ all of their health benefits. I avoid it in human and dog food. That said, I realize that the beef and chicken in the dog's food has been fed....soy. (And corn, so even if your dog food doesn't specifically list corn and/or even if you feed raw, your dogs eat corn.) You really have to be diligent to avoid in it our food BTW...it's not always listed as "soy". People see "soy" and thing tofu and make a "good for you connection". Not always so. That explains why certain cancers are lower in pacific rim counties, then "we" added a bunch of soy to things and see statistically very different outcomes.... Does it increase the incidence of bloat? Who knows. Put me in the camp that says there is certainly a genetic component w/ occasional environmental "triggers". So, until science gives us concrete answers, I scrutinize pedigrees and do my damndest to control their environment...and pray. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 8/3/2010 11:32:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ravencd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Sorry, another dog food question...some say there is a connection between feeding dog food with soy and bloat...others say their is not. Is soy flour or soybean meal the same as soy and would you avoid this in your food? Jodi Bobin ??? Sacred Heart GSDs www.sacredheartgs.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of an y kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================