I don't know how this got onto a GSD list...but I can answer the question. The answer is no, a sooty face will not hinder a Pembroke Welsh Corgi's chances of finishing. And Deb...a sooty face is a red dog whose muzzle is black or blackish.....and that mask can sometimes even run up to the eyes. As one who worked a bit on the first PWC Illustrated Standard, I can tell you that it said, at the time, that the muzzle can fade to pale cream or white (or words to that effect) and never mentioned the sooty faced dogs, because the majority of the people on the committee at the time did not like sooty faces...nevertheless, there is nothing wrong with that coloration, and any judge who faults it is not deserving of an entry. Sooty muzzles very often mean the dog is going to produce beautiful pigment...something that can be lost when breeding pale Pem to pale Pem over and over again... Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: <DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx> To: <wdlnd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <gina@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Sooty muzzle > Ok, I give. What do you mean sooty face? > Deb > > > In a message dated 5/22/2008 1:48:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > wdlnd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > If your PWC has a proper head according to standard, I don't think a > sooty face would hurt at all! BTW, most pem pups eventually outgrow > their sooty faces. > > Birgit Rhoads > WOODLAND > woodlandpwc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > visit my website at: http://www.woodlandpwc.com > > > On May 22, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Royal T Shepherds wrote: > >> Showing question for you more experienced people out there... Can a >> sooty muzzle alone hinder the finishing of a Pem? Be honest..... >> Am I wasting my time and entry/gas money? 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