[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Something to Discuss

  • From: <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 14:44:05 -0400

Excellent post, Jeff!  I was just on the phone with a friend, who happens to be 
a judge, and she said the same thing that you said in your post.


Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member
Wellborn-Allemande German Shepherds
Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <caggra@xxxxxxx>
To: <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:29 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Something to Discuss


Interesting subject and I bet there are many different opinions on this.  
Although you are correct, that the purpose of AKC dog shows is to promote the 
breeding of purebred dogs who fit the standard for each breed, a judge should 
not take this into account when judging.  I do not believe our standard or 
their judging guidelines require an animal to be fertile in order to win an AKC 
show.  

Now, that being said I do believe that especially for a male, eventually this 
would become a factor whether it should or shouldn't.   If it were to become 
common knowledge that a specific male was sterile, I am certain at least some 
judges would find it impossible not to consider this.  
It's probably easier for a bitch who lacks fertility.  In fact, some of our 
most beautiful top winning bitches have unfortunately ended up not ever having 
puppies.  

But at the end of the day AKC does not require those who show to breed their 
dogs.   So, what would the difference be of a male who has been bred several 
times with no successful litter produced versus an owner of a show dog who just 
wants to show their dog and not breed him.  You would never know whether or not 
that male can produce or not.   

Jeff Pyle
Windfall






-----Original Message-----
From: Jessica MacMillan <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:33 pm
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Something to Discuss


Hi All -
 
I know it has been incredibly quiet on the list, but I have a question for you 
nd judges too..
 
In our breed we have a couple of dogs who are being campaigned that cannot 
roduce puppies. Consider the fact of what dog shows were for, how would you 
eel about this if you lost to one of those dogs - better dog or not?....
 
If you were a breeder judge and confronted with this dog in your ring (and you 
new about the situation of not being able to produce puppies), would that 
inder your choices at all. Yes, I understand you are supposed to judge the dogs 
s you see them, but think about it from a breeder's point of view.
 
The eye opener for us was at DCA. We were first Award of Merit behind a dog who 
supposedly" cannot sire puppies (he missed three bitches and suddenly was not 
t public stud). When we got our photos, I mentioned that Argus had won the Stud 
og Class again this year and his daughter was BIF. Well, after I got off the 
latform, the judge asked our President what the breed dog had produced and how 
is kids had done at DCA. She essentially told the judge that he had no 
uppies.. SURPRISE!!!!
 
Just something to discuss...
Jessica MacMillan
o Frills Dog Bathing Service & Design
aisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com)
 The Shepherd Girls (Simmie, CGC, TDI, TC, HIC & Pepper, HIC)
ember of: DCA, GSDCA & GTCDC
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