I say we move the national to an outside location and not have to worry about buying grass. The vendor could be on one side and the paid seating on the other. Without the expense of the building I bet we could even pay for flushing porta potties, a tent set up for the handlers. One set up for the officials Etc. We might try this once in a while to generate income.We would need to go to a warmer climate if we are going to have it in late Oct or Early Nov. I would much rather take a chance every third year than to have to go indoors every year. Performance is outside why not conformation too? Terry Why must we always have the national indoors? Terry ________________________________ From: Bill Basu <billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx; kimbergsd@xxxxxxx; tanksr@xxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 10:42:35 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Sod at the National We show the whole show year on grass and there is absolutely no reason to change that for a National. Having sod at the National should be a requirement and not a "nice to have". Other than the good points made for the well being of the dogs and us "old" handlers, on a purely emotional level when i see a dirt National it seems to take away from some of the prestige and aura of a National. IMHO Grass is Class and Dirt is Dirt . BTW if the judge needs dirt to find the faults of a dog, he or she needs to go back and take the judging exam again and see if they can pass. Bill ________________________________ From: "DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx" <DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx> To: kimbergsd@xxxxxxx; tanksr@xxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 9:19:26 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Sod at the National Kim, that is because you don't handle. That was awful..... I would not do it again personally... Not that I could now but if I could I would not do it again. Deb In a message dated 8/17/2010 8:40:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kimbergsd@xxxxxxx writes: Personally I liked in DelMar there was no hiding in the grass.a lot of faults were exposed, Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Ken Tank <tanksr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > The packed dirt is hard on the dogs, it's hard on the handlers and the dogs > don't move as well. It's hard on the dogs joints and feet. That being said, > if we don't have the money for sod, so be it. > Ya know.......we can have the National outdoors on natural grass out here on > the west coast. ;-) > We did that at the Phoenix National and it was great. > Ken > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:03 PM, <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: > >> In a message dated 8/17/2010 6:49:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> texasgsds@xxxxxxxxx writes: >> >> This question is for those of you who are planning to show at the >> National. I have asked several people including Tish, how much the sod >> costs. The >> general consensus seems to be between $5K and $10K. Since the PC is in >> financial straits, would you be willing to give up the sod for a properly >> watered and packed dirt surface? If properly done packed dirt can be a >> great >> surface to show on. The dirt arena at he shows in Crosby, TX is smooth >> and even like glass and there is no dust. I know that the exhibitors were >> not happy with the dirt in OH. Just asking. >> >> >> As the person who tore a hamstring the last time we tried packed dirt, I >> say go for sod. Also, I think it costs closer to $20,000. I do think we >> can >> negotiate for it. There was a shredded rubber service in Canada that I >> judged on, that looked great. I understand you can take and store it and >> use >> it over. >> >> Maybe we should look at that. >> >> And, I also remember 82 in Ohio. Anyone want to talk about that surface? >> >> Evan L. Ginsburg >> Asgard German Shepherds >> http://www.asgardgsd.com/ >> Where Type Movement and Temperament come together >> >> >> >> ===========================================================================>> POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the >> original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS >> of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author >> AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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