Saying that dogs that go reserve don't deserve points because the classes are small doesn't make sense to me. Does having smaller classes mean that that the dogs that go "winners" might not deserve points either? The size of the show and the quality of the dogs presented are not necessarily linked together. Besides, The AKC has determined how many dogs is takes for the amount of points that are won. This makes me recall something that might sound funny. Back when I was even more of a novice then I am now, I thought you started winning points in the classes. For example if your dog was entered in 9-12 and there were 4 others and you won the class then your dog would get a point. A good friend, Renee Politi, set me straight on that. Anyway, back to the topic. It is hard to find majors and even harder to be the one dog that wins the points. Everyone knows that. Maybe this would help with the declining entries. Doubling the odds surely wouldn't hurt the entries. I agree that the reserve dogs should get points also as in the original post. I think the reserve dog would be deserving of the points. After all the judge picks the reserve dog too, right? -Bob George Once upon a time, when a four or five point show was large, this was a pretty good idea. Nowadays, shows are about the size of an Open class in the old days, and I don't think the Reserve should have points given to them. I know the AKC looked at this at one time, but said no then, and with the smaller classes, I can't see them saying yes now. Doris *********************************************************** > I've always felt that shows would be better supported if AKC changed its > point structure to allow Reserve winners at a 4 point major IN THEIR > SEX > to > receive a 3 pt major and Reserve winners at a 5 point major to receive a 4 > pt > major. That way 2 deserving dogs would have a chance at a major rather > than only > one and I think people would be just a little more inclined to enter and > support > shows with multiple entries if there were 2 chances rather than one. > The quality of the reserve animal at a 4 or 5 point show should be worthy > of > the corresponding major. > lynda ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================