When flying (that was the topic, right?) I find that it all comes down to who is checking-in your dogs. If you get a dog person, they understand that the crate is not meant to be a condo......if you get a "considerate" clerk, they want the dog to be able to stand, to turn, to climb, to tango,to cha-cha....name it..... Most GSD males travel well in a 500 crate, must bitches travel well even in a 400. Ileana In a message dated 5/4/2010 9:46:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx writes: I find that my bitches, 24 and 25 inches at the withers and the dog, 26, with bad pasturns, are plenty to keep people who should not be bothering me from bothering me.....The Standard is plenty big enough, you want bigger? Get a Mastiff.....sheila My own opinion... From: "ELG440@xxxxxxx" <ELG440@xxxxxxx> To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx; longspeakgs@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 9:33:03 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Size matters In a message dated 5/3/2010 11:30:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Shipping a puppy is really easy compared to an adult required to fly in a # 500. Maybe it is time to start to breed back to the standard, and an average size dog. This from someone who owned Patriot. Evan L. Ginsburg ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================