Well but keep in mind Terry, the SV did not start mandating using a wicket until two years ago on the German Dogs. The problem with oversize, I mean SERIOUSLY oversized folks, like 29 and larger....was seen even in the Siegershow ring, and they finally said "enough" . I have seen Yasko sons that are every bit of 30 inches. Now yes, they wicket....but there is some "fudging" going on sometimes too. At least though they recognized they were having a real problem and moved to improve it. Their oversized dogs in many cases DWARF what we see as oversized. Kathy On 12/03/2008, Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > That is what I like about the Germans. They have a standard and the breed > to it:0) If it says 25.5 is ideal then 25.5 is ideal. If 27 is oversized > then they sell them to Americans :0) > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================