In a message dated 8/6/10 1:59:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: we have never had a true base line for evaluating the amateur OK. I think Nancy and Carol do a great job, and I don't mean to criticize them. But, I do not like the amateur futurity, and it has nothing to do with costs. I have spoken to a number of people about it, including Carol, and I have to say over 89% don't want it. Remember 78% of all figures are made up. And, 3 out of 4 Americans make up 75% of the population. But, back to the futurities. For the number of people who enter, it takes too long, makes the day unreasonably long, causes dogs to be at the show early and we end up nothing waiting for an hour or two. And that is often to judge four or five people. I don't think a match needs to have a sub-match. Since you are judging the dog anyway, why does it matter who is handling? If an amateur is going to show at the match, put his or her dog in the regular class and have them show. Lowering the quality of the handler should not change the winners. Trust your judge to judge the dog, not the handler, and don't have a special show with a handler that you think is less qualified, and then only judge the dog. Unless you think the judge is going to only judge the handler, then get a better judge. Those are some of my reasons, and I know I will get some heat, and that is not a problem. If you agree with me, say so in public, you keep telling me this in private. Carol knows how I feel about it, and I gave her a great idea how to increase the entries. She probably is considering it. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================