I vote Novice. Novice generally doesn't get a good look for points for the same reason they are in Novice - they don't behave! The judges can't see them move or see anything sometimes, but the dogs get to have another good time in the ring, and to get more ring experience before the pressure of Ambred. And if they are good, everyone gets to see him and forgive any rolling on the ground : ) pat gsdStyle german shepherds 2x Sel Excellent CH Here Comes Trouble Sel CH Egoiste, ROM CH Seacrest's Silk Stockings and of course, gsdStyle's Dizzy Miss Lizzy and Nikirie's Charmed and Dangerous "Be who you are and say what you feel....Because those that matter....don't mind....And those that mind....don't matter. " ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================