Thank you! Watch where the foot touches ground....not how far it reaches in mid-air. I know there is a lot more to it than that... but it's just one way of trying to get people to see movement differently. Some dogs appear to have their foot way out in front of their nose (when played in slow motion.... one benefit of the National tapes) but when that dog actually touches ground.... the foot is back behind the jaw bone somewhere in it's neck-line. That's not a good front. How can that dog even begin to cover ground? Sean Daleen Dunphy <amaleen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:More and more I have been noticing ads in the Review, pics on web sites and/or people posting pics of their dogs gaiting showing no shoulder opening. I am seeing dogs lifting/moving out from their elbows. I hear/read some say "look at that front" only because they are seeing the dogs foot out by (pass) the dogs nose. Are these fronts becoming so much of the norm that people believe this to be correct? A couple of months ago there was a photo in the Review of a dog gaiting. I just had to show this pic to my son to see if he noticed it. Sure enough he pointed out and said " the leg is sticking out from the elbow and it doesn't look like the elbow has even moved". My young grasshopper is learning well I know judging dogs from pics can be very hard and so much of what we see as in the movement depends on the second of the gait when the photo is taken - and I know getting the pic at the right time showing the dog fully opened (when they are correct) is not easy. But I sure would rather see the "correct" than a wrong timing of movement leaving people going "hmmmm". ok off my soap box Daleen ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================