[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Shoulders
- From: Ann Mariano <brittaleahnasa@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:08:29 -0800 (PST)
Trust me, I understand shoulders, and where the foot
lands.
I have been to Ed's seminar, and knew exactly what he was
talking about. Just I don't see many dogs out there that
I
have it. My mentor was known for having some of the best
shoulders out there when he did compete. He had several
Selects, Futurity Victrix, ROM dogs (many he owner handled
himself). However, his line is just about gone. I just
know when looking for males, there just seems not to be
the
shoulders out there that I want. My girl Ava has a
beautiful shoulder. When I bred Ava's mom this last time,
I got beautiful type/uniformity, decent shoulders, but the
shoulders were not as good as my last litter. (I have yet
to breed Ava). I am trying to think f the future when it
comes to dogs, to have the "total" dog, but not just
beautiful type but trying to keep the shoulder I do have
with my one girl Ava. And the boys right now just do not
seem to have it. That is why I am hooping this diescussion
will help me on my quest on finding a line which has
better than the avg shoulder out there.
Question, when you did breed Lilly did you find that any
of
her son's carried on her beautiful shoulder? If so, I
would love to see them :)
Ann Marie
www.geocities.com/amarigermanshepherds/Amari.html
Home of Ch Fairway's Leah v Nadelwald TC
and her daughters R/BIF Ch Amari's Ava Gardner
and in the wings her daughter Amari's Beware of Foxy Roxy
(pointed)
and Breeder/Owner of Leah's son
Amari's Bandit of Broadcreek (9 points @ 7 months)
--- Lindenhill <lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> ann, I am not the "structure" person in the family. But I
> will share what I think. I think there is just as good
> shoulder now than 20 years ago, and in some cases better.
> There is such a lack of good critques from the past. GSD
> Reviewed sometimes gives a couple critiques. I think the
> problem has more to do with the fact that an excellent
> shoulder is super hard to get, easy to lose, and new
> people have trouble "seeing" correct shoulder. I still
> have this problem. What helped me was Ed Barrit telling
> me while watching dogs in movement, do not watch how far
> out the front foot goes. Watch where the front foot lands
> when it hits the ground. Doing that in slow-mo while
> watching videos of dogs is a real eye-opener. I think my
> GVX lily has the perfect shoulder and shoulder opening. I
> don't think many would ding her except for her bigness
> "which she measures in the standard." I bring up my own
> bitch because one, she is a GVX, finished in three shows
> and many best of breeds under "shoulder men/women"
> judges. I also bring her up, because now retired she is
> part of the history of our breed. I think it behooves
> people who want to understand structure is to stand by
> one of our best breeder/judges men and women and watch a
> class or two with them. No one ever told me when I
> started to "leave them alone" and I still sit with Bob
> Eaton every chance I get so he can tell me I am wrong,
> wrong, wrong. The worst thing to do is see a picture of
> the dog and say my that's a nice shoulder. Until you
> watch them in movement, you don't know. Her brother
> Hayabusa (han) 3x select and MV, does not have the
> shoulder of his sister, but he is totally correct and
> balanced. Is that why he did not go GV? No, Scoop was
> just slightly better those three years (yes, Kevin and
> barb--slightly), and Han has a wavy ear. I bring him up
> because Dave Rinke includes him in his judges seminar
> that he gives--which is a great place to go at the
> national--whether you wish to be a judge or not. As he
> says, we all have to be judges to be breeders. I think if
> you look at all the selects male and females pedigrees
> over five years or 10 years you will see a pattern, and
> boing! you will develop your own philosophy. I would also
> talk to the Graingers about GV Bull. Because they
> published "put a little lift in your breeding program" I
> feel comfortable in saying that he was dinged because his
> front was lifty or lofty. Did that stop him from going
> GV. No, Bull was an awesome animal--very well
> deserving--his pedigree is interesting because the
> pattern I am asking you to look for is right there. I
> will not bring up my opinions on more dogs because they
> haven't been discussed publicly and I feel their owners,
> breeders should discuss them here. The best to you,
> Sheila at Lindenhill
>
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