Now I'm crosseyed. If you measure the spine of the scapula against the leg (not against the ground, which is where the measurement should be taken) you're going to have an angle that's much more open than 90...not 45, not 35, and not 30... Sorry Chuck, old buddy, but you've lost me now. As Helen Miller Fisher told me many years ago: "You don't have to put your hands on a dog. Watch them gait. They have to have extention both front and rear................BALANCE......................But, thay have to have extension both ends. Balance does not mean "up and down". Extention is the key word. Thank you Helen. I have lived by that for over 40 years. Not to bad either, LOL Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================