I used to sit and watch the Basque sheepherders for hours as my ex was a geologist who spent much time climbing over the moraines in the area. The ones I watched had two types of dogs - the guardians and the herders. The guardians were large and white (think Pyrenees style), the herders were some version of a BC/Ausie/kelpie style of dog - the only thing that mattered was their ability and not their looks. They would definitely NEVER see a dog show. If we actually believe that dog shows are a means of determining breed worthiness then no dog with a serious fault should ever win. And people who breed for a specific breed should never breed faults/DQ faults. But people are people and this dog sport is less of a means of evaluating a good dog and more of a show every day. Ruth ________________________________ From: David Fritsche <d_fritsche@xxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:52 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Sheree's post Not sure where this herding is taking place, but we do have sheep herds in our area of the country. In the summer months the Basque herders take their flocks up into the high county. I love the setting - High Sierra Mountain meadows, the herd wandering where the grass supply warrants, meandering streams supplying an ample supply of fresh water and trout for the herders, the supply wagon parked nearby with camp fire and camp cooking. Ah, heat? No, not there! And when the snow falls, the sheep are herded to lower elevations until they are finally transported to the ranch in the lower elevations for the winter. The sheep grow wool by being kept in cool climates. The dogs? Well, most of them I've seen in my treks to the high country will never see a show ring - so what color they are has no significance to the task at hand. It is even possible that dark colors might help keep them warm up there. Just the picture in my mind generated by my love for the mountains. Dave ==================================== Well, we do know that darker dogs do draw heat in more. Have had to be careful in the heat of the summer with my bi's overheating. That said....breed washed out to compensate????? Nah, say that is not so! Molly In a message dated 8/14/2013 1:26:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: I read the most absurd thing the other day...gal who proclaims to breed for herding...lot of washed out dogs on her site...saying it was desirable because of the heat. ==================================== ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ÿÿ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================