Beyond that, I hope all GSDCA members will take the time to analyze themselves and see if they are breeding too often and are possibly producing dogs at a rate that appears to be that of a mass producer of dogs. ************************** In a message dated 3/2/2007 2:45:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BARBMARKH@xxxxxxx writes: I found this rather an interesting statement - of the litters of GSD that are produced annually - the 3,500 to 4,000 members of the GSDCA probably do more to produce more correct, healthier, better tempermented dogs than the other 95% of the people that breed them - so what is the story here - we would like the members to stop breeding these better puppies to allow all the others to continue breeding lesser quality puppies for the public to buy? Leaving the "uninformed" breeders of puppies to do the breeding - I really think that we should encourage our members - who are probably the best informed on blood lines, health issues, confirmation and temperament issues - to do breedings - as they are the most active at finding really good homes for their puppies . . . . Did any one else find this statement unsettling? Barb **************************************** Yes, but I was tired of arguing. Then I had a phone call from a lady who had previously contacted me for a puppy (didn't have anything and neither did any of our RC members). Her dog had died and this was a referral from a vet where I get my OFA stuff done....anywho.... ....she went to a local BYB <Mistake #1> with her grown but living-at-home son. They bought home two males, littermates <Mistake #2>. Now they are seven months, out of control, unsocialized, and they have both bit adult living-at-home son and some of his friends. She called a doggy behaviorist, <I lost track of what number mistake THIS is>, who wants $700 per dog to come out and "evaluate" the dogs. Oh yeah....$500 of that (each) is for a shock collar. For 7 month olds. (Is that a racket or what????? Note to self, put a blip in puppy packet, which is starting to look like a phone book, discouraging puppy buyers from "come to the house" trainers.) Naturally, BYB (who has been suspended by the AKC for the love of Pete!), won't return calls. This lady wanted to know if I could help (I suggested a reputable class put on by her local AB club, really good trainer, suggested they go one at a time and even suggested adult but living-at-home son get his own place and take one, sorry, couldn't resist!), or if I wanted one (can pigs fly???? WHY would I want an ill tempered out of nothin' by nothin'?). She brought up rescue, but if she mentions the biting (her words, "went after, and "oh yeah, they broke skin"), rescue can't take them. If she tells the truth to our local no-kill shelter, they won't re-home either. Of course they are (still) intact, her adult still living at home son who sounds like a real peach, wouldn't dream of neutering them. So, anyway, this is the experience of JQ Public when they look for a dog. We could all stop breeding tomorrow and this would still go on.... Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================