Pauline, You are somewhat correct but the BOB & BOS don't always get the GCH points. The judges has to place an "X" in the box next to the award or else they will not get points. A Champion could go BOB (dog or bitch) and if the judge does not indicate on their judging sheet to award the points they do not get them. You are correct the BOB & BOS do not get a select ribbon even if they are awarded the GCH points. Only the Select dog and bitch get a select ribbon. Lee Brown Too far from the womb and too close to the tomb to care about what anyone thinks of me. In a message dated 2/10/2013 8:33:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, ropajagsd@xxxxxxx writes: I don't know where all this is coming from either...Regardless of whether it is a specialty show or an allbreed show....the BOB and BOS (unless they are from the classes) get grand champion points (they do not necessarily get a select ribbon...sometimes the clubs do not have the actual select ribbons) and then the judge at his/her discretion, can additionally award up to two selects, one to a bitch and one to a male in the breed class; so you normally have a total of four dogs who can receive grand champion points......it is up to the AKC to determine whether or not they are eligible (i.e. if it was a class dog, etc...) The specialty clubs to my knowledge are not awarding "club" selects in addition to the AKC selects...Pauline www.ropajagsd.com : LeBrowngsd@aol.comDate: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:37:18 -0500 (EST)Subject: Re: questionIf Specialty clubs have started awarding Select other than what AKC offers it is news to me. I guess it would be a good think to know :-) With such small entries these days why in the world would a club want to award Selects and have to spend extra money for ribbons? If it is by AKC rules then you award a dog and a bitch. Period. Nothing else. Lee BrownToo far from the womb and too close to the tomb to care about what anyone thinks of me In a message dated 2/10/2013 11:45:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, terrycochran97756@xxxxxxxxx writes:Is there a special ribbon that goes with the specialty club selects? If there is and it is up to the judge to pick as few or many as he would like how is the club to know how many to order? What is the color of the ribbon? ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================