Here is one judge that does not understand this and has said it for years. If you do not feel they are worth the points on that day give them a second place ribbon and they will not be in your winners class. If you give all classes 2nd place ribbons, with no first place awarded then you would have no winners class. Lee In a message dated 7/14/2011 9:52:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, texasgsds@xxxxxxxxx writes: It's nice to see that Oscar's dogs did well today, BOB and WD. I've seen j udges withhold winners before. I don't understand why they don't just withhold blue ribbons in the classes if they don't like the dogs. Maybe the judges on the list can enlighten us. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================