I didn't have Kida when she was born, her other mother would have to answer that question of color when she was born. I was just looking at her pictures as she ages I'm guessing she was extremely dark as a puppy? She wasn't as dark when she was younger and every single time she sheds (two dozen times in two and a half years <G>) she gets darker and darker. Her color also depends on what stage of growth she's in with her coat. Her face is is black with little cute eye brows. My first sable.. we'll see what happens! If she keeps going darker as she sheds based on what you're saying she could have been born black!! She has gotten darker and darker with each new coat and not the same color as she was before she blows coat. My guess with my experience so far is that sables darken with age. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Liana New Liana@xxxxxxxxxxx Website: www.liananew.com *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ----- Original Message ----- From: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx To: Charangsd@xxxxxxx ; SallyHH31@xxxxxxx ; gailbauman1@xxxxxxx ; ArDeJay@xxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Colors In a message dated 1/6/2008 9:01:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, charangsd@xxxxxxx writes: Don't most sables darken with age? No. They are usually their darkest when born, get quite light around 8-12 weeks, then start to darken again. Bitches lighten up when they shed, then come back in the same as before the shed. There are some many different "tone" colors of sables..........I started with, as Carolyn mentioned, a silver sable when I got my first GSD. I had no idea about colors at that time, but I had so many comments on how pretty she was from everyone that met her. I only bred her once to a Morgan son and she never reproduced herself. Got very rich red sables. Over the past 35 years I would say I have had 10 or 11 different color tones of sables, and of the 6 I currently have, only 2 are similar, a mother and daughter. And something no one has touched on.....when you get washed out black and tans one of the best ways to get pigment back in your line is to breed to a good rich pigmented sable. Molly ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================