BUT, you can't take that same 1 testicle dog, intact, into the conformation ring at the GSDCA National. Well, you could but..... And, I would think that the person evaluating a 1 testicle GSD, who has just won the Obedience Victor award, would check for two testicles, before approving the eligibility of said dog. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Pinehillgsds <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> To: barbara17236 <barbara17236@xxxxxxx>; Showgsd-l <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:14 am Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ]/testicles It's not a DQ according to the GSD standard, it is a DQ for showing in the breed ring. A lot of folks confuse the two, so I guess it would be a good idea, like Lori suggested to further define. Just as a refresher, here are the current DQs for our standard: Cropped or hanging ears Dogs with noses not predominantly black. Undershot jaw. Docked tail. White dogs. Any dog that attempts to bite the judge The DQs for the breed ring are listed in Chaper 11 section 8 of the AKC book, it is a PDF, not sure this will come through the list but if it doesn't, page 45: SECTION 8. A dog which is blind, deaf, castrated, spayed, or which has been changed in appearance by artificial means except as specified in the standard for its breed, or a male which does not have two normal testicles normally located in the scrotum, may not compete at any show and will be disqualified except that a castrated male may be entered as Stud Dog in the Stud Dog Class and a spayed bitch may be entered as Brood Bitch in the Brood Bitch Class. A dog will not be considered to have been changed by artificial means because of removal of dewclaws or docking of tail if it is of a breed in which such removal or docking is a regularly approved practice which is not contrary to the standard. Neutered dogs and spayed bitches would be allowed to compete in Veterans Classes only at independent specialties and/or those all-breed shows which do not offer any competitive classes beyond Best of Breed. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 10/17/2013 8:51:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barbara17236@xxxxxxx writes: Yes, Kathy they can BUT I wonder just how many MALES were neutered because they only had 1 testicle descend normally? That is clearly a DQ, which is no longer a DQ, after neutering. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Pinehillgsds <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> To: ELG440 <ELG440@xxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 6:54 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] You are getting your AKC breed ring DQs mixed up with GSD standard DQs. BTW a veteran past a certain age can be spayed/neutered and still go in the breed ring. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 10/16/2013 8:11:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: I thought you could not show a surgically altered dog in conformation. How could a spayed or neutered German shepherd qualify? I am serious, maybe I am missing something. Evan L. Ginsburg gsyrfund.com Asgard German Shepherds _http://www.asgardgsd.com_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Where Type Movement and Temperament come together In a message dated 10/16/13 10:14:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, judsohngsd@xxxxxxx writes: this dog may be spayed or neutered, but must meet the GSD standard for Conformation dogs" ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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