HI DD Hope you are doing great! While I whole heartedly agree with you on the best handlers generally getting the best dogs (that is a given, for the most part) I am talking about the obviousness of some individuals and clubs in judge selection, judging, "you scratch my back" , etc. It becomes disheartening for even the most experienced and show saavy owner/breeder and even some handlers. It's not the blame game anymore, not when you have even top handlers in the country that are fed up. We (collective we) watch it happen here in the West, and from what I gather it is a problem elsewhere, too. Now dogshows aren't unique, anywhere you have subjective opinion, this can happen. My brother used to show cars, and although he was one of the best in the US, (he owned a Shelby Cobra...awesome) the politics would happen there too! Amazing. On the up side, people CAN do something about it. I think the Ohio Valley shows are a good example...stop supporting clubs that do this, judges that do this, handlers , owners , breeders (kind of like the nursery rhyme "There was an Old Lady who Swallowed a Fly, lol) but you get my point. Also there are many clubs that DO try hard to get great judges, and they should be applauded, and rewarded with entries. Same with judges that just judge dogs.....REWARD THAT . It will take people banding together to support, or not clubs, judges, etc etc with a track record of game playing to put an end to it, or to curtail it. It also is going to take people getting together to support and reward the great clubs the great judges to send a strong message. I am not insinuating that gamesmanship goes on everywhere all the time, usually it does not (one hopes) but it is going on frequently enough that people are not longer talking about it in hushed tones, and behind doors....they are openly discussing it, and its effect. Sometimes you have to bring things out in the the bright light of day, you know? Have a great weekend :-) Kathy Tank >>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 2007 8:07 AM, Cudjoegsd <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Possibly the better known handlers win because they show the better dogs? > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================